EU Referendum

[Foxholer]

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I dont believe anyone is saying 'all is well' only being pleased when there is a bit of good news and happy that the predictions of a recession, large unemployment, plummeting house prices and being £4,300 worse off per household were untrue.
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As Brexit hasn't yet happened, nor even been initiated, those predictions could still happen! The 4300/household was a 'worst case' value btw!

It's up to Carney who, quite appropriately, didn't make any actual predictions, and, of course, the government, to put in place whatever measures are required to minimise the possibility of all those nasty things! As ever in an economy/market environment, any action taken to affect one area also produces an effect in other areas! The decreasing yields for CBs and Gilts was entirely predictable and, presumably, deemed a 'reasonable cost' for the benefits of additional availability of funds. Yields should return to 'normal' levels once the 'special situation' activity is no longer needed.

 

[Trojan615]

Better out than in .... So they say

 

[SocketRocket]

As Brexit hasn't yet happened, nor even been initiated, those predictions could still happen! The 4300/household was a 'worst case' value btw!

It's up to Carney who, quite appropriately, didn't make any actual predictions, and, of course, the government, to put in place whatever measures are required to minimise the possibility of all those nasty things! As ever in an economy/market environment, any action taken to affect one area also produces an effect in other areas! The decreasing yields for CBs and Gilts was entirely predictable and, presumably, deemed a 'reasonable cost' for the benefits of additional availability of funds. Yields should return to 'normal' levels once the 'special situation' activity is no longer needed.

What a surprise, now how did I know you would reply. Try to resist, I bet you cant

 

[Hobbit]

As Brexit hasn't yet happened, nor even been initiated, those predictions could still happen! The 4300/household was a 'worst case' value btw!

For which even the Treasury told Osbourne he was spinning the numbers too far.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What a surprise, now how did I know you would reply. Try to resist, I bet you cant

But Brexit hasn't happened yet - and despite what you say ... courtesy of Yes Minister

So does Brexit mean keeping the City of London involved in some or all of European banking, financial and regulatory activity, or trade tariffs? Does it mean curtailing the movement rights of UK nationals as well as EU citizens? Does Brexit perhaps include revising our own governance as EU law recedes from our sceptred isle? Does Brexit mean the legislation of new health and safety regulations, employment and all other laws where we have lost competence to Brussels, including the drafting of 30 or 40 new bills for each Queen’s speech for a decade or two?

 

[harpo_72]

"Let's put it bluntly those who voted leave were over the hill, and uneducated"

"The stats say Leave won, the stats say that the majority were X age group, and left school without having further education."

Just a couple of yours from this thread, but obviously no anger or resentment there……..

That's not anger that's a bank balance statement...

 

[Foxholer]

But Brexit hasn't happened yet - and despite what you say ... courtesy of Yes Minister

So does Brexit mean keeping the City of London involved in some or all of European banking, financial and regulatory activity, or trade tariffs? Does it mean curtailing the movement rights of UK nationals as well as EU citizens? Does Brexit perhaps include revising our own governance as EU law recedes from our sceptred isle? Does Brexit mean the legislation of new health and safety regulations, employment and all other laws where we have lost competence to Brussels, including the drafting of 30 or 40 new bills for each Queen’s speech for a decade or two?

That's obviously part of the purpose of the brief for the 'Brexit' department!

There is no need to question that any more than to query what the purpose of any other government department is!

For which even the Treasury told Osbourne he was spinning the numbers too far.

Have you ever heard of a politician NOT using worst case scenario numbers to make their point?

What a surprise, now how did I know you would reply. Try to resist, I bet you cant

This puerile (imo of course ) post demands a reply!

:rofl:

See the first sentence of post 5229 (of this thread)!

 

[SocketRocket]

But Brexit hasn't happened yet - and despite what you say ... courtesy of Yes Minister

So does Brexit mean keeping the City of London involved in some or all of European banking, financial and regulatory activity, or trade tariffs? Does it mean curtailing the movement rights of UK nationals as well as EU citizens? Does Brexit perhaps include revising our own governance as EU law recedes from our sceptred isle? Does Brexit mean the legislation of new health and safety regulations, employment and all other laws where we have lost competence to Brussels, including the drafting of 30 or 40 new bills for each Queen’s speech for a decade or two?

I get it. You are incapable of understanding the situation and the way you keep reiterating these rhetorical questions the more it becomes obvious that explaining the situation to you makes no impact, it, just seems to go in one ear and out the other. All will be revealed to you in the fulness of time, if you want someone to reveal the future for you then maybe I could suggest Transcendental Meditation

 

[SocketRocket]

This puerile (imo of course ) post demands a reply!

See the first sentence of post 5229 (of this thread)!

See! you cant resist me. Not sure if it's in a 'stalking' way or maybe you have a subconscious fascination about me, maybe I represent a part of one of your childhood nightmares that creates an insecurity complex which can only be satisfied by trolling someone who you secretly admire, is it that dream where you go into the garden and find your teddy bear floating face down in the swimming pool? I just had a thought You dont fancy me , do you?
:rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm guessing this thread now is just post ping pong of posters throwing cheap digs at each as opposed to offering some insight towards what could possibly happen over the next 3 years because right now not one single person knows what will happen - the country will step into the unknown so maybe it's time for a step back and wait period

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm guessing this thread now is just post ping pong of posters throwing cheap digs at each as opposed to offering some insight towards what could possibly happen over the next 3 years because right now not one single person knows what will happen - the country will step into the unknown so maybe it's time for a step back and wait period

Maybe we need a forum referendum on it and depending on the outcome have another.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

I'm guessing this thread now is just post ping pong of posters throwing cheap digs at each as opposed to offering some insight towards what could possibly happen over the next 3 years because right now not one single person knows what will happen - the country will step into the unknown so maybe it's time for a step back and wait period

You after a Mod job Phil

Yeah what he said, stop with the jibes and either say something constructive or don't say nuffin at all (With apologies to Bambi & Thumper)

 

[Blue in Munich]

That's not anger that's a bank balance statement...

Let's hope you're not involved in finance then.....

 

[Foxholer]

Very interesting, if not 'revealing' interview with Theresa May on the Andrew Marr show!

And confirming my total respect for Shami Chakrabiti's integrity, if not all (though certainly many/most of) her political views as well!

 

[ColchesterFC]

You after a Mod job Phil

In other news a fox has been put in charge of the hen house.

 

[Foxholer]

Well, this puts the kybosh on a points based system for EU immigration!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37271420

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well, this puts the kybosh on a points based system for EU immigration!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37271420

..and a lot of Leave voters will not be happy or at least confused as I heard very many (inc the Boris and the Hannan) refer to a points system as being the answer for immigration - usually citing the Australian example (notwithstanding limitations pointed out by Brit-Ins and the actual facts about the level of immigration in Oz).

Ah well. Does that count as a Brexit promise broken? We'll see what TheMay comes up with - though I'm not sure that it's the PMs job to dismiss options in this way - I thought there were three ministers for this and cabinet decision making.

Anyway - it doesn't matter what she comes up with - those that have been blaming immigration for their ills will now ALWAYS blame immigration for their ills - because that particular genie is out of the bottle.

 

[Foxholer]

..and a lot of Leave voters will not be happy or at least confused as I heard very many (inc the Boris and the Hannan) refer to a points system as being the answer for immigration - usually citing the Australian example (notwithstanding limitations pointed out by Brit-Ins and the actual facts about the level of immigration in Oz).

Ah well. Does that count as a Brexit promise broken? We'll see what TheMay comes up with - though I'm not sure that it's the PMs job to dismiss options in this way - I thought there were three ministers for this and cabinet decision making.

Anyway - it doesn't matter what she comes up with - those that have been blaming immigration for their ills will now ALWAYS blame immigration for their ills - because that particular genie is out of the bottle.

I don't believe many Brexit voters actually specifically voted for this particular method - merely for Brexit itself! That was, after all, the only question on the ballot paper! Obviously, it was the preferred method by some, including at least one on this site!

So no broken promise - it was only a proposal for how immigration from EU countries could be controlled.

 

[MarkE]

May stated it was for the UK government to decide who we let in our country. Been a long time since a PM has been able to say that. This is what brexit voters voted for, our government deciding matters for our country.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

May stated it was for the UK government to decide who we let in our country. Been a long time since a PM has been able to say that. This is what brexit voters voted for, our government deciding matters for our country.

A decision of course which could be something close to 'free movement' - but you are indeed correct that we will be able to have that control over decision making, which would be a good thing...