EU Referendum

[FairwayDodger]

I admire your optimism and support for independence.

I prefer to apply my optimism to things I do support. Now if you are interested on my views about other issues then don't mention the CAP and it's effect on third world Farmers. But that's for another discussion.

My views on independence are well documented on here and that's not what we were talking about.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Thanks for the reply, but rather than wanting to know what we think her motivations are, I'd like to know the "official" reasons.

As I said before, as far as politics goes I am simple, and probably very naive, but my thinking is along these lines - which is all guesswork backed up by zero facts.

The EU won't want to give us a free trade agreement because they need to make it appear that leaving was bad for us to discourage any others.
EU members have to abide by whatever deal is struck on our exit.

So if they impose a tariff on trade between the EU and the UK, is it in Scotland's best interests to pay the tariff on their trade with the EU, or on their trade with the UK?

I'd have thought it was the former, so was wondering what would be the benefit of Scotland being independent and joining the EU. I'd be surprised if it were because they'd rather have their laws determined by Brussels than Westminster, or if they wanted to continue with freedom of movement.

As I said, simple and naive, but what is the upside for Scotland leaving the UK and remaining in the EU?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36878081

Five pretty good reasons there.

The vast majority of Scotland's MP's has no voice or influence at Westminster.

At least we shall have a bit of influence and a small voice in Brussels

 

[Lord Tyrion]

In Brussels you will have an even smaller voice as you are diluted further. I may be wrong but a quick check showed you have 6 MEP's in a parliament of 751. How on earth do you expect to have influence with numbers like those? That is also assuming all 6 MEP's will vote as a block. The voice will be a squeak at best. Believing that you will influence in Brussels is delusional.

 

[Crazyface]

We are the champions my friend and we'll keep on fighting to the end...........

We won the cup, we won the cup eiadio we won the cup !!!!!!

 

[SocketRocket]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36878081

Five pretty good reasons there.

The vast majority of Scotland's MP's has no voice or influence at Westminster.

At least we shall have a bit of influence and a small voice in Brussels

Delusional.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

In Brussels you will have an even smaller voice as you are diluted further. I may be wrong but a quick check showed you have 6 MEP's in a parliament of 751. How on earth do you expect to have influence with numbers like those? That is also assuming all 6 MEP's will vote as a block. The voice will be a squeak at best. Believing that you will influence in Brussels is delusional.

A squeak is better than no voice at all.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Delusional.

Rude, angry and arrogant

 

[ColchesterFC]

A squeak is better than no voice at all.

According to Nicola Sturgeon Scotland is in a very strong position to influence the discussions over Brexit so I guess that she doesn't agree with you that Scotland has no voice in Westminster. Or was she lying?

As an aside why is it Brexit? I understand Grexit if Greece were to leave or Nexit if the Netherlands left but it's the UK that is a member of the EU not Great Britain so surely it should be UKexit

 

[Doon frae Troon]

According to Nicola Sturgeon Scotland is in a very strong position to influence the discussions over Brexit so I guess that she doesn't agree with you that Scotland has no voice in Westminster. Or was she lying?

As an aside why is it Brexit? I understand Grexit if Greece were to leave or Nexit if the Netherlands left but it's the UK that is a member of the EU not Great Britain so surely it should be UKexit

The discussions are Scottish government led.
How can we be in a strong position at Westminster where every single bill or amendment proposed by the SNP is voted down.

Brexit....its a word.
Some folk up here call it Engxit which I suppose is more accurate. [apologies to the Welsh]

 

[SocketRocket]

Rude, angry and arrogant

I agree, you're that as well :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

A squeak is better than no voice at all.

So do you expect Scotland to have a majority in Westminster? You have a devolved parliament and representation in Westminster, thats more than us English have. In the EU you would have even less say than in the UK but I guess living under EU (German) austerity for a while and paying export tariffs to your largest market by far will soon get you complaining how nasty they are to you and threatening Scexit.

 

[Old Skier]

Some folk up here call it Engxit which I suppose is more accurate. [apologies to the Welsh]

Typical arrogance from the odd Scot - you cannot even acknowledge our vote.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So do you expect Scotland to have a majority in Westminster? You have a devolved parliament and representation in Westminster, thats more than us English have. In the EU you would have even less say than in the UK but I guess living under EU (German) austerity for a while and paying export tariffs to your largest market by far will soon get you complaining how nasty they are to you and threatening Scexit.

I doubt it.

 

[SocketRocket]

I doubt it.

It's true I tell you, I read it in the Chipping Sodbury Bugle.

 

[ColchesterFC]

It's true I tell you, I read it in the Chipping Sodbury Bugle.

Don't believe everything you read in that rag. However, if you'd read it on WingsoverSodbury.com then that would have been a reliable source.

 

[vkurup]

Brexiters look away now..

I am sure they would challenge the conspiracy, the mans qualification or the validity of the argument.
Irrespective of all that, this makes some interesting and dark reading.

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/his...ll-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714

 

[SocketRocket]

Brexiters look away now..

I am sure they would challenge the conspiracy, the mans qualification or the validity of the argument.
Irrespective of all that, this makes some interesting and dark reading.

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/his...ll-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714

That old chip paper. Get with it your Yurt Dwelling Yogurt Knitting Amigo already posted it and it was rubbish then

 

[vkurup]

That old chip paper. Get with it your Yurt Dwelling Yogurt Knitting Amigo already posted it and it was rubbish then

Yup.. Got it in a chip paper .. Surrey chippys used to use the Telegraph but now use such low brow trash.. Times are tough, must be that Brexit thingi...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Brexiters look away now..

I am sure they would challenge the conspiracy, the mans qualification or the validity of the argument.
Irrespective of all that, this makes some interesting and dark reading.

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/his...ll-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714

Thank you for that, scary comparisons.

 

[USER1999]

Brexiters look away now..

I am sure they would challenge the conspiracy, the mans qualification or the validity of the argument.
Irrespective of all that, this makes some interesting and dark reading.

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/his...ll-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714

What an absolute load of drivel.

I blame Kevin bacon then, as everything can be connected back to him in 5 moves.