EU Referendum

[Doon frae Troon]

Who are the anti-Scots? Myself, i'm fairly ambivalent towards Scotland. I'd prefer the Union to continue as I think it's mutually beneficial to the whole of the UK. However, if Scotland wants to go it alone, I would'nt lose any sleep over it.
The only thing that irritates is the constant anti-English slant to anything certain forum members have to say.

How many times do we have to say it is not anti-English it is anti Westminster and the UK political structure.

 

[Hobbit]

Out of Interest, why are all the anti-Scots on here so desperate to keep us in the UK ?

:lol:

So who is "anti-Scots?"

I've seen plenty pro-Union, but no anti-Scots. Or does pro-Union make someone anti-Scots? And if it does, until there's another vote, not a poll of a few thousand, over half of Scotland is pro-Union.

I suggest you don't confuse the pro-EU vote with a vote for Indy. The SNP did that a few years back, thinking that because they'd been voted into Holyrood it was a mandate for independence. They are more intelligent than you, and have far greater resources to check the pulse of the nation, and they still got it wrong.

 

[MarkE]

How many times do we have to say it is not anti-English it is anti Westminster and the UK political structure.

That's not the way it comes across. As for political structure, you don't think an independent Scotland would do things any better do you? Politicians would still be looking after number 1. Some misguided folk seem to think Scottish independence would lead to some sort of political utopia.

 

[SocketRocket]

As far as having a finger on the Scottish pulse he has been misfiring for the past few weeks.

If the only way you can hold your own in a debate with me is to pick up on a typo then that goes a long way in revealing your mindset. I don't misfire, unlike you, I make a reasoned argument which unfortunately goes a little over your head but Hey Ho! You being a buffoon is nothing to do with being a Scott.

 

[SocketRocket]

Oh dear... beware as hell hath no fury like a misfiring rocket.. coming to a post near you.

I took you for an intelligent person who was capable of a serious discussion. I wont be so crass to place you in the same category as Doon but I have to say that post was uncalled for.

 

[harpo_72]

If the only way you can hold your own in a debate with me is to pick up on a typo then that goes a long way in revealing your mindset. I don't misfire, unlike you, I make a reasoned argument which unfortunately goes a little over your head but Hey Ho! You being a buffoon is nothing to do with being a Scott.

You have not debated, you have just traded insults, you have not offered up an educated argument on any point frankly you have just kept this thread alive with inane tripe ... Not one of the leavers have given a cohesive argument and that was all they were asked for.
Any way what is the big deal about the Scottish now wanting to break from the union? I mean you all wanted to leave the EU so surely you would sympathise with the Scots wanting to leave a union that doesn't work for them?

 

[SocketRocket]

You have not debated, you have just traded insults, you have not offered up an educated argument on any point frankly you have just kept this thread alive with inane tripe ... Not one of the leavers have given a cohesive argument and that was all they were asked for.
Any way what is the big deal about the Scottish now wanting to break from the union? I mean you all wanted to leave the EU so surely you would sympathise with the Scots wanting to leave a union that doesn't work for them?

I will ignore the insult part of your post as it's just a personal attack and unworthy of a reply and totally ignores what has been said through this thread.

Regarding the Scots and the Union, how do you justify your statement that the Union doesn't work for them? I am interested how you come to that opinion.

 

[Old Skier]

Any way what is the big deal about the Scottish now wanting to break from the union?

Have I missed the referendum on this, what was the winning margin.

 

[harpo_72]

I will ignore the insult part of your post as it's just a personal attack and unworthy of a reply and totally ignores what has been said through this thread.

Regarding the Scots and the Union, how do you justify your statement that the Union doesn't work for them? I am interested how you come to that opinion.

You did not you reacted.
secondly if the Scots want to revisit their situation why is it an issue ?

 

[SocketRocket]

You did not you reacted.
secondly if the Scots want to revisit their situation why is it an issue ?

OK, if thats the way you want to discuss things.

I know you have a paranoid problem with me and suspect it's due to me making reasoned arguments against your bitter and vitriolic attacks on anyone that wanted to leave the EU. Personally I am easy with people that wanted to stay, even if I disagree with their motives as I think we are all entitled to an opinion. You seem to keep regurgitating the same old hackneyed storyline that the 'Leavers' have no cohesive arguments, talk 'inane tripe' and offer no educated argument. What planet are you on (though I guess it's the dark side of the moon), have you not read the myriad of points posters have made or (as I suspect) have you decided to wipe it all from your small memory bank and take solace from your little group of oddball compatriots on here who still cant get into their little heads that the referendum voted to 'Leave the EU' and that is what we will do, so just suck it up and get used to it.


Hoooooommmmmmmm! Ting! That feels much better than trying to have a grown up discussion with you.

 

[SocketRocket]

Have I missed the referendum on this, what was the winning margin.

:thup:

 

[Hobbit]

Hard line Tory MP's have told May full Brexit or else, whatever the or else is. No budging on immigration. Hard ball on tariffs if the EU continue to "teach the UK a lesson."

No doubt it's posturing but...

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I haven't yet heard a consistent and coherent definition of Brexit - so saying Brexit means Brexit is in fact meaningless - and as a result many of the Leavers don't like being asked - even although they seem to know what Brexit isn't.

 

[SocketRocket]

I haven't yet heard a consistent and coherent definition of Brexit - so saying Brexit means Brexit is in fact meaningless - and as a result many of the Leavers don't like being asked - even although they seem to know what Brexit isn't.

You know what it means just the same as I do, it means the Uk will leave the EU.

It's also clear that following the referendum that the ideal situation for negotiations is that the UK has complete control of who can come to live in the UK along with as much free trade with the EU as possible. This is all up for negotiation when article 50 is evoked so how can anyone tell you what the final outcome will be at this point. What else do you expect it to be at this stage, I thought it was quite clear on the voting slip what we were voting for.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You know what it means just the same as I do, it means the Uk will leave the EU.

It's also clear that following the referendum that the ideal situation for negotiations is that the UK has complete control of who can come to live in the UK along with as much free trade with the EU as possible. This is all up for negotiation when article 50 is evoked so how can anyone tell you what the final outcome will be at this point. What else do you expect it to be at this stage, I thought it was quite clear on the voting slip what we were voting for.

OK - so what does Leaving the EU entail? Some Brexiteers seem to accept there will be negotiation and compromise - but on what? And where is the Red Line? Further 0- you may have an idea what Brexit actually entails - but other than 'leaving' the EU is your view commonly held? Even on the very basics - some want to be in the single market (BoJo); others don't want to be in the single market but have access to it; others don't want anything to do with the Single Market, but want a trading relationship with the EU.

 

[SocketRocket]

OK - so what does Leaving the EU entail? Some Brexiteers seem to accept there will be negotiation and compromise - but on what? And where is the Red Line? Further 0- you may have an idea what Brexit actually entails - but other than 'leaving' the EU is your view commonly held? Even on the very basics - some want to be in the single market (BoJo); others don't want to be in the single market but have access to it; others don't want anything to do with the Single Market, but want a trading relationship with the EU.

I dont know another way to explain it to you. The first principal will be for the UK to leave the EU, I think that one needs no further explanation. The next major consideration is what is the best mutual trading arrangement can we agree that is in the best interests of both parties and in conjunction with this can we make an agreement on the UK keeping control over immigration. Do you think it would be a situation whereby we say "We want full and unfettered access to the single market with full control over immigration of EU Citizens or we will accept nothing" You know we cant go into talks saying that, so it's a matter of whats the best deal the EU is prepared to offer as their bottom line and what we are prepared to accept as ours, hopefully they will be close, otherwise we will need to decide where we go from there. I dont know what else you suggest we should do. Do you honestly think there should already be a statement that we just read out to the EU with a take it or leave it option?

 

[Hobbit]

OK - so what does Leaving the EU entail? Some Brexiteers seem to accept there will be negotiation and compromise - but on what? And where is the Red Line? Further 0- you may have an idea what Brexit actually entails - but other than 'leaving' the EU is your view commonly held? Even on the very basics - some want to be in the single market (BoJo); others don't want to be in the single market but have access to it; others don't want anything to do with the Single Market, but want a trading relationship with the EU.

I'd hazard a guess that as you've used the exact same language as is in the newspaper article you know exactly what was meant.

 

[harpo_72]

OK, if thats the way you want to discuss things.

I know you have a paranoid problem with me and suspect it's due to me making reasoned arguments against your bitter and vitriolic attacks on anyone that wanted to leave the EU. Personally I am easy with people that wanted to stay, even if I disagree with their motives as I think we are all entitled to an opinion. You seem to keep regurgitating the same old hackneyed storyline that the 'Leavers' have no cohesive arguments, talk 'inane tripe' and offer no educated argument. What planet are you on (though I guess it's the dark side of the moon), have you not read the myriad of points posters have made or (as I suspect) have you decided to wipe it all from your small memory bank and take solace from your little group of oddball compatriots on here who still cant get into their little heads that the referendum voted to 'Leave the EU' and that is what we will do, so just suck it up and get used to it.


Hoooooommmmmmmm! Ting! That feels much better than trying to have a grown up discussion with you.

Once again no answer , just a diatribe of tripe ...

 

[Hobbit]

Once again no answer , just a diatribe of tripe ...

You two need to get a room.

Have a read of posts #5034 & #5036. As much as I disagree with Leaving, and some of SR's posts, I fail to see where he doesn't put forward reasonable reasoning. Yes, he does respond a bit sharp especially when someone has a go, like yourself, and he does respond sharp when its a constant barrage at him.

But a rhetorical question or two; would the UK govt declare its negotiating position in full to the population, bearing in mind the need to hold some aces for its formal round the table discussions with the EU? Has it even formed a full plan yet, bearing in mind the complexity of disentangling the UK from the EU?

 

[Old Skier]

OK - so what does Leaving the EU entail? Some Brexiteers seem to accept there will be negotiation and compromise - but on what?

An educated man knows that nobody can yet define what this means, the same way as those that wished to stay in the EU were unable to say what the way forward and what might or might not happen within the EU.