EU Referendum

[Hacker Khan]

It's an opinion..

https://www.nchlondon.ac.uk/2016/07...trigger-article-50-lisbon-treaty-1-july-2016/

 

[chippa1909]

Sadly not.

Another wonderfully assured, dignified and statesmanlike performance by Ruth Davidson on politics Scotland today. A real shame she's not eligible to stand.

I particularly liked the bit where she said she would not try to stop a future indyref2, and would advise the future Tory PM against doing so too.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Under that logic Scotland's Independence referendum was invalid because the rest of the UK did not get to vote.

In a democratic referendum the majority of the valid voters get to decide the outcome - any subdivision must come before the poll not after.

I'm surprised that with this Forum not being predominantly Scottish you can bring yourself to slum it here. Perhaps there should be a Scottish Forum - vote anyone!

+1. Ha ha

 

[SocketRocket]

More positions of power for Scotland's two Tory and one Labour MP's then.
or Like Labour will you just fill up thye positions with English MP's.

Andrew Neil......One Aberdeen Grammar school boy sees off three Bullingham boys.:lol:

Another veiled anti English post.

 

[SocketRocket]

At their peril, we will start sharpening the claymores and stealing your sheep.:lol:

OK, as long as thats all you do to our sheep.

 

[Hobbit]

It's an opinion..

https://www.nchlondon.ac.uk/2016/07...trigger-article-50-lisbon-treaty-1-july-2016/

How can he berate those who campaigned for both sides yet urge them to use their position as MP's, behind the banner representative democracy, to ignore the electorate? As he says, there were lies on both sides yet chooses not to single those of Remain out. He certainly doesn't highlight the deeply distorted figures used by George Osbourne, which were miles away from those given to him by the Treasury.

Finally, I find his last but one paragraph deeply offensive. I don't doubt some of the validity of the evidence surrounding the demographics of the vote. However, if the older generation hadn't strived as it has most of the youngsters would have had summer holidays in Bognor Regis, had most of their journeys by bus and wouldn't have had anything like the access to further education that they enjoy.

I voted Remain, but I don't want the result hijacking with smart words used to hide truths. The only way I could reconcile even a second vote is for the spokespeople for both sides to run an honest campaign.

 

[MegaSteve]

It's an opinion..

https://www.nchlondon.ac.uk/2016/07...trigger-article-50-lisbon-treaty-1-july-2016/

Completely overlooks that "our neighbours and partners in Europe" had plenty of opportunity to provide good reasons for a strong platform to remain and failed to do so... Juncker + Co are every bit as much to blame as anyone else..

 

[SocketRocket]

That is the correct answer.. The cost models all require revising due to import duties, the volumes required due to demand after the final cost of the offered product...
The motor manufacturers look 8 years in advance but this means all the programs coming to the end of their glide paths in 2 years require revision. Will they take a pessimistic view, well they have to be honest and not get over ambitious. There will be a major push by all manufacturers either side of the channel as they will be equally affected.
The long term solution if we leave is to move major manufacturing into Europe or try and draw as many suppliers into the local market. To do that will require some government enticements.
The big issue here is we talk about economies, and they all have slight issues. If we become a service economy only we will be serving others and a select few of our own.. The manufacturing industry is required to sustain the economy, it frees us from serving others and allows us to develop as a nation (the Victorians are a prime example). Basically speaking if we make the best stuff we will always have customers, but at present the small backbone of engineering needs support and developing... This decision could be argued positively or negatively in that we have forced ourselves to the forefront .. But that means some strict measures to get there, such as wage cuts, benefits reductions and longer hours. India and China have strong economies because they still pay low wages, and work long hours, either way you look at it you need to be on a level playing field.

The long term decisions will IMO be taken based on what arrangements for free trade can be created between the UK and the EU and many companies will wait to see what transpires as it can be very costly to move manufacturing centres. there will also be the opportunities that come about by the UK being able to open up its trade with the rest of the world which is already starting to gather interest by a number of countries.

The UK is very good at developing new technologies and exploiting research and development to create products that are in demand worldwide. Many of these products are not only hardware but software and it makes little difference where that is produced but that has always been the case, my company developed design and manufacturing software based in the UK but collaborated with partners worldwide, both in the EU and outside the EU. We had very few problems developing and selling our technologies around the world and our biggest partner by far was Japan. I can see nothing with Brexit that would make any significant change to that business. Hardware manufacturing has been sent out to countries with lower labour costs and in many cases to eastern europe for years which although we were in the EU was no help to the loss of jobs, in many cases the Eastern EU countries were receiving EU grants to help them set up facilities to take on the work.

It not a simple case of companies being jumpy and starting plans to shift production to the EU. There is a good chance that we may be able to attract business from around the world if we have lower trade barriers than the EU.

 

[SocketRocket]

It's an opinion..

https://www.nchlondon.ac.uk/2016/07...trigger-article-50-lisbon-treaty-1-july-2016/

But IMO full of inaccuracies and especially pertaining to the constitutional issues. It's sour grapes and a distraction to the job in hand. He needs to get on with the job of educating people in subjects that can benefit the country

 

[FairwayDodger]

I particularly liked the bit where she said she would not try to stop a future indyref2, and would advise the future Tory PM against doing so too.

She was pretty spot on with the way she dealt with indyref2. Key point being that the SNP shouldn't try to cash in on the current bad feeling to stage another referendum before we know what we're voting for.

See what the brexit deal is, and what terms Scotland would get to rejoin the eu and only then should indyref2 be contemplated.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

It it would not have made a difference unless the 2 year olds + had a vote.
You do not seem to know much about Scotland in Numbers.

PS .......Still waiting for your adjective for 62%

You're absolutely right. I have no idea of the number of available voters in Scotland but I think that there were plenty of potential voters around who Remain could have inspired to vote with them. But the whole Remain campaign was uninspiring in the extreme.
As for 62%. I think the best word for it is... irrelevant 😉

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Another veiled anti English post.

Aye right....In reply to a poster who wants Conservative and Labour MP's to form a UK coalition, basically cutting Scotland and NI out of the process.

Re Andrew Neil, you really do not have a sense of humor.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You're absolutely right. I have no idea of the number of available voters in Scotland but I think that there were plenty of potential voters around who Remain could have inspired to vote with them. But the whole Remain campaign was uninspiring in the extreme.
As for 62%. I think the best word for it is... irrelevant 😉

So you agree that 52% is seriously less than irrelevant.

 

[larmen]

Phillip Hammond on the BBC, a leaver that seems reasonable and makes sense
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36707573

Shame that the 3 morons created so much hate on both sides.

Not sure with him endorsing May as leader, but we will have to see.

 

[SocketRocket]

Phillip Hammond on the BBC, a leaver that seems reasonable and makes sense
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36707573

Shame that the 3 morons created so much hate on both sides.

Not sure with him endorsing May as leader, but we will have to see.

Which three morons? And how could they create hate on both sides?

 

[Foxholer]

Phillip Hammond on the BBC, a leaver that seems reasonable and makes sense
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36707573

Shame that the 3 morons created so much hate on both sides.

Not sure with him endorsing May as leader, but we will have to see.

Possibly because he was actually a 'Remain'-er!

3 Morons? Gove, Bozo and Farage? 2 of them have now 'gone from the stage'! Quite easy to add Cameron and Osborne as other 'morons' though - 1 of those also exited and I can imagine the other losing his role come the new PM's Cabinet. Certainly something Shakespearian about the whole 'tragedy'!

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

Is it just me or is there too much ranting and wailing about things that just cannot be decided until a few minor details are in place....like having a government, an opposition and actually invoking a50???
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[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

So you agree that 52% is seriously less than irrelevant.

It should be. But Cameron made it ridiculously vital by not setting the boundaries of the referendum properly.
What it isn't is carte blanche to rip up every contact with our trading partners and allies and start bombing Dresden.
What it should be is a mandate to keep a 'common market ' (now there's a phrase for the teenagers....) open and also increase trading links around the world.
But it looks like there are too many politicians that want their pound of political flesh to look at the bigger picture.
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[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

Re Andrew Neil, you really do not have a sense of humor.

Is that Andrew Neil the great Scotsman who prefers to live and work in England rather than his home nation
😋😋

 

[User62651]

Is that Andrew Neil the great Scotsman who prefers to live and work in England rather than his home nation
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Daft point, 10% roughly of the populace of Scotland are English incomers/settlers whereas only roughly 1.3% of the English populace are Scottish incomers, that would suggest people move readily in both directions and proportionately more from England to Scotland. We all know media and politics is London centric so it is not surprising someone like A Neil is based down south.