EU Referendum

[Doon frae Troon]

Nope

More positions of power for Scotland's two Tory and one Labour MP's then.
or Like Labour will you just fill up thye positions with English MP's.

Andrew Neil......One Aberdeen Grammar school boy sees off three Bullingham boys.:lol:

 

[FairwayDodger]

Ooh ooh. Quick.
Any of them looking to run the country??
😙😙

Sadly not.

Another wonderfully assured, dignified and statesmanlike performance by Ruth Davidson on politics Scotland today. A real shame she's not eligible to stand.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

.. Like Labour will you just fill up thye positions with English MP's.
:

A) It was a light-hearted comment - it ain't gonna happen
B) More seriously, this is the problem at the moment - people's inability to accept the democratic process: 1) Scotland voted to be part of the UK. 2) the UK voted to leave the EU.
OK so let's get the best deal for the WHOLE of the UK, then get back on the democratic train to see where the dust settles. I still think we'll be part of the single market. I think there will still broadly be free movement but with some changes about how long people can stay without registered work.
It'll mean the numbers of EU immigrants goes down, but the number of temporary migrant labour goes up - typical government fudging.
Peace and love to all Brits everywhere😘

 

[Old Skier]

I assume by 'country'you are talking for England and Wales there.

You haven't called Independance within your house again have you, you know that as only one house your chances of joining the EU are low.

 

[MarkE]

Now that the referendum is apparently 'advisory'. A question for Scottish forumers. If after the next Scottish referendum for independence, Westminster chooses to ignore the result as 'advisory' would that still be acceptable? Or does it only apply when England overwhelmingly vote to leave the EU.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Now that the referendum is apparently 'advisory'. A question for Scottish forumers. If after the next Scottish referendum for independence, Westminster chooses to ignore the result as 'advisory' would that still be acceptable? Or does it only apply when England overwhelmingly vote to leave the EU.

Legally you have to classify the referendum as either advisory or mandatory. This was flagged up before in some areas, but of course it was not widely publicised.

https://constitution-unit.com/2016/01/19/what-happens-if-we-vote-for-brexit/

If further Scottish referendums are classed as advisory as the last one was then yes, the government legally can ignore it.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Now that the referendum is apparently 'advisory'. A question for Scottish forumers. If after the next Scottish referendum for independence, Westminster chooses to ignore the result as 'advisory' would that still be acceptable? Or does it only apply when England overwhelmingly vote to leave the EU.

I'm not sure, so prepared to be corrected, but I don't think any scots on here who are eligible to vote in an indyref have suggested the result was 'advisory'.

 

[MarkE]

I'm not sure, so prepared to be corrected, but I don't think any scots on here who are eligible to vote in an indyref have suggested the result was 'advisory'.

I was talking about wider press coverage rather than on here. I directed the question to Scots because they would be affected in future.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I was talking about wider press coverage rather than on here. I directed the question to Scots because they would be affected in future.

Ah sorry, I thought you were having go.

I don't think there should another indyref. If there is one it mustn't be until the brexit settlement is known so that we actually understand what we'd be voting about. And if it was a vote to leave the uk it'd clearly have to go to "best of 3"

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Now that the referendum is apparently 'advisory'. A question for Scottish forumers. If after the next Scottish referendum for independence, Westminster chooses to ignore the result as 'advisory' would that still be acceptable? Or does it only apply when England overwhelmingly vote to leave the EU.

England voted to leave, Scotland did not.
If 52% is overwhelming I wonder what adjective would describe 62%.
Same rules apply.

 

[Oohmeoldbacksknackered]

England voted to leave, Scotland did not.
If 52% is overwhelming I wonder what adjective would describe 62%.
Same rules apply.

Sorry. The UK voted to leave. Scotland is part of that. If you are that vehement about the outcome couldn't you have found a couple of million Scots that couldn't be bothered to get off their backside to vote to come out on your side?
If 100% of Scotland had voted 100% to stay in you'd have an argument. As it is, sorry but you is a cockerknee just like the rest of us Sassenach gits.🤗

 

[Old Skier]

England voted to leave, Scotland did not.
If 52% is overwhelming I wonder what adjective would describe 62%.
Same rules apply.

And Wales

If this http://www.scotreferendum.com/2014/09/first-minister-on-referendum-outcome/

is correct then I'm not to sure what your trying to say or is it that you would only admit that you lost if the figures are less than 46%

 

[MarkE]

England voted to leave, Scotland did not.
If 52% is overwhelming I wonder what adjective would describe 62%.
Same rules apply.

So you would be happy for Westminster to ignore the outcome of a future Scottish referendum? Regardless of percentages.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Sorry. The UK voted to leave. Scotland is part of that. If you are that vehement about the outcome couldn't you have found a couple of million Scots that couldn't be bothered to get off their backside to vote to come out on your side?
If 100% of Scotland had voted 100% to stay in you'd have an argument. As it is, sorry but you is a cockerknee just like the rest of us Sassenach gits.🤗

It it would not have made a difference unless the 2 year olds + had a vote.
You do not seem to know much about Scotland in Numbers.

PS .......Still waiting for your adjective for 62%

 

[Doon frae Troon]

So you would be happy for Westminster to ignore the outcome of a future Scottish referendum? Regardless of percentages.

At their peril, we will start sharpening the claymores and stealing your sheep.:lol:

 

[Old Skier]

At their peril, we will start sharpening the claymores and stealing your sheep.:lol:

The claymores we use in RUK don't need sharpening, things have moved on down south.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

We have that sort here in the UK as well.

 

[harpo_72]

That's correct in many instances but too simplistic overall. If a company was tendering for a multi year contract, for example, it would be challenging for them at the moment with the great uncertainty over what sort of arrangements would be in place after 2 years. Any competitor from an EU country will have a clear advantage at least until the brexit deal is known.

That is the correct answer.. The cost models all require revising due to import duties, the volumes required due to demand after the final cost of the offered product...
The motor manufacturers look 8 years in advance but this means all the programs coming to the end of their glide paths in 2 years require revision. Will they take a pessimistic view, well they have to be honest and not get over ambitious. There will be a major push by all manufacturers either side of the channel as they will be equally affected.
The long term solution if we leave is to move major manufacturing into Europe or try and draw as many suppliers into the local market. To do that will require some government enticements.
The big issue here is we talk about economies, and they all have slight issues. If we become a service economy only we will be serving others and a select few of our own.. The manufacturing industry is required to sustain the economy, it frees us from serving others and allows us to develop as a nation (the Victorians are a prime example). Basically speaking if we make the best stuff we will always have customers, but at present the small backbone of engineering needs support and developing... This decision could be argued positively or negatively in that we have forced ourselves to the forefront .. But that means some strict measures to get there, such as wage cuts, benefits reductions and longer hours. India and China have strong economies because they still pay low wages, and work long hours, either way you look at it you need to be on a level playing field.

 

[MarkE]

At their peril, we will start sharpening the claymores and stealing your sheep.:lol:

As it should be. Any attempt to backtrack on Brexit and going against the majority should never be entertained by anyone who believes in democracy.:thup:

 

[drdel]

England voted to leave, Scotland did not.
If 52% is overwhelming I wonder what adjective would describe 62%.
Same rules apply.

Under that logic Scotland's Independence referendum was invalid because the rest of the UK did not get to vote.

In a democratic referendum the majority of the valid voters get to decide the outcome - any subdivision must come before the poll not after.

I'm surprised that with this Forum not being predominantly Scottish you can bring yourself to slum it here. Perhaps there should be a Scottish Forum - vote anyone!