EU Referendum

Excellent, let us all just forget the total muck up the two sides of the Tory party have made of our country.
In financial reality this jolly old jape has sent us back to the 1980's and made the UK the laughing stock of the world.
As for 'I told you it would happen'. Well many experts did and, like Mr Gove, the separatists chose to ignore them.

Lets all go into denial, roll up our sleeves and fight the years of anguish, family break ups and poverty

Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better, that's the recipe of change, I know it's a dirty word for some, but change was needed and for those that thought or believed you'd ever reform the EU, well you were kidding yourselves, some of the stories I am following and reading on how some of the banks in Europe are in serious trouble gives me the confidence that we are well out of it, because quite simply, it would be us putting in more money to bail these countries out, and what would have Brussels done to ensure we could do this, fine us, put up our VAT, put more export sanctions on our businesses so that other countries can compete and import into us, we are well out of it IMO, yes nothing can look rosey within days, weeks or even possibly months, but we now we simply cut our cloth to suit and the positives will come to the fore, but they can't and won't happen overnight, there are so many half glass people on here, doom and gloom merchants it's unbelievable, if you were happy how things were and it was only going to get worse IMO, then god knows what kind of country you were prepared and happy to live in, change was needed, it wasn't going to happen by staying, that IMO is fact because everything else around and within the EU is failing and crumbling and it would have hurt us more staying and going down with so many other sinking ships!

I read a very good article regarding the fishing waters stating that once we get them fully back along with certain restrictive quotas that were imposed upon us, that industry alone could produce tens of thousands of jobs, not just on the water, but throughout the whole industry right through to the end user, I'm sure there are many other instances of mass positives out there, but for some reason too many people just want to hang on to all the negatives, because, well because the democratic vote didn't go their way, unbelievable!
 
Xenophobic??

And all he is doing is pointing out yet another unfortunate consequence that this may have on the people that (on average) voted for it.

You could argue on the other side of the coin that if the interest rates go down and house prices go down as many predict, then houses become more affordable for the younger generation. So the youngsters can thank the coffin dodgers, sorry, wise old generations for that one. Every cloud and all that ;)

In my opinion he is jumping on the bandwagon of vilifying the older generation for going out and voting for what they individually thought was right. It's wrong, nasty and stupid to do this but it is almost 'cool' to take this attitude at the moment.
 
Angry Andrea sticking it to them....

[video]https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/news/eu-debate-gets-heated-as-energy-minister-tears-into-brussels-elites/[/video]
 
In my opinion he is jumping on the bandwagon of vilifying the older generation for going out and voting for what they individually thought was right. It's wrong, nasty and stupid to do this but it is almost 'cool' to take this attitude at the moment.

but where is the xenophobia accusation coming from, I genuinely have no clue
 
Change may or may not have been needed but the change we have voted for is, IMO, completely the wrong direction of travel.

I do think we'll be worse off economically, but this vote was never about the economics for me. It was about being an outward looking, good global citizen for the benefit of all mankind. Instead we have turned in on ourselves, stuck two fingers up at our friends and neighbours with whom we should be working for a better future and then essentially descended into farce as two spoiled public schoolboys trash the country as a side effect of their long running petty rivalry. Oh and then both of them run away to let others pick up the mess.

As a country, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed and embarrassed by the whole sorry mess.
 
Tada !!!! This, I think, is the correct post. Now go on to explain how Corbin was forced to say he wants to remain, but didn't, hence why he's sticking two fingers up to his own MP's, and is clinging on. I hope the party members stick to their guns and vote him back in. Yet another two fingers to the MP's who are so out of touch it is eye watering. I bet Corbin wishes he'd stuck to his guns and told Labour to go with Leave, he could have demanded a Gen Election and walked in.

Even with the trust of the conservatives currently at a very low point, I severely doubt Corbyn, principled as he is, would have the trust of the public and lead the labour party into power. Unless they formed an alliance with UKIP who are stealing some of their traditional support, which won't happen. The Labour MPs know this, hence the vote of no confidence.
 
Change may or may not have been needed but the change we have voted for is, IMO, completely the wrong direction of travel.

I do think we'll be worse off economically, but this vote was never about the economics for me. It was about being an outward looking, good global citizen for the benefit of all mankind. Instead we have turned in on ourselves, stuck two fingers up at our friends and neighbours with whom we should be working for a better future and then essentially descended into farce as two spoiled public schoolboys trash the country as a side effect of their long running petty rivalry. Oh and then both of them run away to let others pick up the mess.

As a country, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed and embarrassed by the whole sorry mess.

I think Cameron asked for change, and the EU, as well as Cameron, didn't realise how strong the desire for change was.
 
Change may or may not have been needed but the change we have voted for is, IMO, completely the wrong direction of travel.

I do think we'll be worse off economically, but this vote was never about the economics for me. It was about being an outward looking, good global citizen for the benefit of all mankind. Instead we have turned in on ourselves, stuck two fingers up at our friends and neighbours with whom we should be working for a better future and then essentially descended into farce as two spoiled public schoolboys trash the country as a side effect of their long running petty rivalry. Oh and then both of them run away to let others pick up the mess.

As a country, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed and embarrassed by the whole sorry mess.

FD spot on the money yet again.
 
Change may or may not have been needed but the change we have voted for is, IMO, completely the wrong direction of travel.

I do think we'll be worse off economically, but this vote was never about the economics for me. It was about being an outward looking, good global citizen for the benefit of all mankind. Instead we have turned in on ourselves, stuck two fingers up at our friends and neighbours with whom we should be working for a better future and then essentially descended into farce as two spoiled public schoolboys trash the country as a side effect of their long running petty rivalry. Oh and then both of them run away to let others pick up the mess.

As a country, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed and embarrassed by the whole sorry mess.

Well said fully agree

As for the fishing quotas - I'm sure the fisherman understand it was brought in because of depleted stocks and I'm sure the Fisherman understand that the UK EU rep on the fisheries committee was non other that Farage who attended I understand 1 meeting out of 40 plus.

http://www.libdemvoice.org/about-nigel-farage-and-the-british-fishing-industry-50948.html
 
Change may or may not have been needed but the change we have voted for is, IMO, completely the wrong direction of travel.

I do think we'll be worse off economically, but this vote was never about the economics for me. It was about being an outward looking, good global citizen for the benefit of all mankind. Instead we have turned in on ourselves, stuck two fingers up at our friends and neighbours with whom we should be working for a better future and then essentially descended into farce as two spoiled public schoolboys trash the country as a side effect of their long running petty rivalry. Oh and then both of them run away to let others pick up the mess.

As a country, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed and embarrassed by the whole sorry mess.

I respect your view but what amuses me about many Scots (Not including you here) is that they are prepared to consider independence and are critical of the decision to leave the EU due to it being bad for the economy but are blinded to the damage independence would bring to Scotland's finances. Seems like it's OK for Scotland to be principled but not the rest of us.

Regarding your final point, I am not embarrassed for my country, on the contrary I am proud we have shown the wherewithal to take a chance and strive for better things. Change can be difficult and risky but if you want something different then you have to cast off things bind you to the past. No gain without pain.
 
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I respect your view but what amuses me about many Scots (Not including you here) is that they are prepared to consider independence and are critical of the decision to leave the EU due to it being bad for the economy but are blinded to the damage independence would bring to Scotland's finances. Seems like it's OK for Scotland to be principled but not the rest of us.

Something we can agree on. Except the word "principled", I'd go with "deluded" but that obviously reflects my own bias on the issues.
 
Change may or may not have been needed but the change we have voted for is, IMO, completely the wrong direction of travel.

I do think we'll be worse off economically, but this vote was never about the economics for me. It was about being an outward looking, good global citizen for the benefit of all mankind. Instead we have turned in on ourselves, stuck two fingers up at our friends and neighbours with whom we should be working for a better future and then essentially descended into farce as two spoiled public schoolboys trash the country as a side effect of their long running petty rivalry. Oh and then both of them run away to let others pick up the mess.

As a country, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed and embarrassed by the whole sorry mess.

Perfectly sums up how I feel. We have done the international equivalent of throwing a strop and taking our ball home. Pathetic and embarrassing.
 
Well said fully agree

As for the fishing quotas - I'm sure the fisherman understand it was brought in because of depleted stocks and I'm sure the Fisherman understand that the UK EU rep on the fisheries committee was non other that Farage who attended I understand 1 meeting out of 40 plus.

http://www.libdemvoice.org/about-nigel-farage-and-the-british-fishing-industry-50948.html

This may save you a lot of posting.

In the opinion of LiverpoolPhil there is absolutely nothing that will improve in the country following the Brexit vote, everything from now on will be a disaster

There you go, sorted.
 
Perfectly sums up how I feel. We have done the international equivalent of throwing a strop and taking our ball home. Pathetic and embarrassing.

There's a big old world out there for you if this country embarrasses you. Democracy is king so get over it please.
 
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I respect your view but what amuses me about many Scots (Not including you here) is that they are prepared to consider independence and are critical of the decision to leave the EU due to it being bad for the economy but are blinded to the damage independence would bring to Scotland's finances. Seems like it's OK for Scotland to be principled but not the rest of us.

Whilst I agree with your first part of this I disagree with the point of independence damaging Scotland's finances, I believe with the right structure in place Scotland would do just fine. Scotland has a lot more to offer than just oil.

In not pro-independence just to be clear though.
 
I respect your view but what amuses me about many Scots (Not including you here) is that they are prepared to consider independence and are critical of the decision to leave the EU due to it being bad for the economy but are blinded to the damage independence would bring to Scotland's finances.

Not according to David Cameron, or did you miss what he said a couple of weeks ago.

'Well everything is sweet for Norway, they are a small country with loads of oil'
 
Change may or may not have been needed but the change we have voted for is, IMO, completely the wrong direction of travel.

I do think we'll be worse off economically, but this vote was never about the economics for me. It was about being an outward looking, good global citizen for the benefit of all mankind. Instead we have turned in on ourselves, stuck two fingers up at our friends and neighbours with whom we should be working for a better future and then essentially descended into farce as two spoiled public schoolboys trash the country as a side effect of their long running petty rivalry. Oh and then both of them run away to let others pick up the mess.

As a country, we are a disgrace and I am ashamed and embarrassed by the whole sorry mess.

Couldn't agree more FD - sums up my feelings exactly.

I accept that i live in a prosperous part of the country and have plenty of liberal/middle class friends - but never had i misjudged a mood of a nation more than with that vote.
 
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