EU Referendum

[Deleted member 15344]

You still dont get this democracy thing, do you?

In history lots of people thought they knew what was best for the people, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung , Napoleon to name a few. To suggest a Government can ask the people to make a decision on their future then ignore the democratic result is really stupid, sorry but I cannot think of any other way to describe it. As I posted previously, just imagine if the vote had been to remain but the Government had decided to take us out anyway.

Look I get that all you care about it leaving the EU - it's clear that's all that matters to you that the sooner we are away from the EU the better.

Well I'm sorry but it's quite clear that they will not invoke Article 50 until they are satisfied with the negotiations and they are in the best interest of the U.K. - those negotiations can and I expect will take a good number of years when you consider the Swiss took over 9 years to negotiate favourable terms with the EU. Now I fully expect the government will be more concerned to making sure the right thing is done for the future of the nation - I'm not sure how you can even mention the likes of Hilter etc and attempt to find some relevance

The government won't ignore the result of the vote - I have no doubt they will have it in the forefront of their minds - the closeness of the result will certainly be clear , the aftermath right now will be clear , the affect it is having on people's lives will be clear and the reactions from a lot of people will be clear.

 

[guest100718]

Look I get that all you care about it leaving the EU - it's clear that's all that matters to you that the sooner we are away from the EU the better.

Well I'm sorry but it's quite clear that they will not invoke Article 50 until they are satisfied with the negotiations and they are in the best interest of the U.K. - those negotiations can and I expect will take a good number of years when you consider the Swiss took over 9 years to negotiate favourable terms with the EU. Now I fully expect the government will be more concerned to making sure the right thing is done for the future of the nation - I'm not sure how you can even mention the likes of Hilter etc and attempt to find some relevance

The government won't ignore the result of the vote - I have no doubt they will have it in the forefront of their minds - the closeness of the result will certainly be clear , the aftermath right now will be clear , the affect it is having on people's lives will be clear and the reactions from a lot of people will be clear.

What happened to wanting to close the thread?

 

[Foxholer]

Just been catching upon one of my favourite bands!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvDcvdioCg8&feature=youtu.be

I think I know which way this Dalesman would have voted!

:rofl:

 

[Old Skier]

Given the referendum is advisory I think that that is a prediction rather than a fact. And so there will remain uncertainty around it happening until it does

Do you really believe that Parliament will not implement the result based on the question on the ballot paper.

There have been posts and threads were we have all blasted MPs for not following the wishes of the people or kept the their promises. Now we have been through a political democratic process you and others think they are now going to change it all around. Do you really think they are going to further blow their credibility.

Good luck with that.

 

[One Planer]

Look I get that all you care about it leaving the EU - it's clear that's all that matters to you that the sooner we are away from the EU the better.

Well I'm sorry but it's quite clear that they will not invoke Article 50 until they are satisfied with the negotiations and they are in the best interest of the U.K. - those negotiations can and I expect will take a good number of years when you consider the Swiss took over 9 years to negotiate favourable terms with the EU. Now I fully expect the government will be more concerned to making sure the right thing is done for the future of the nation - I'm not sure how you can even mention the likes of Hilter etc and attempt to find some relevance

The government won't ignore the result of the vote - I have no doubt they will have it in the forefront of their minds - the closeness of the result will certainly be clear , the aftermath right now will be clear , the affect it is having on people's lives will be clear and the reactions from a lot of people will be clear.

There will be no formal negotiation until article 50 is enacted.

European ministers have confirmed as much this evening.

I'll admit to being completely neutral on the topic. I personally didn't vote as I couldn't be swayed either way. While I'm as patriotic as the next person I also see some of the benefits being part of a wider economic union can bring.

I also see the negatives.


I think an amicable separation can and will take place. It's in Europe's best interests to continue to trade with the UK. The terms of the trade will be key for all but people forget it's a big world with plenty more trading partners to be had.

 

[jp5]

For what it's worth, imo the economy is taking such a hit because our own PM and Chancellor have spent months belittling the UK, now they are reaping what they have sown.

Sorry, but you've got to be incredibly ill-informed to come to that conclusion.

The economy is taking a hit because we have made a commitment to tear up our trading agreement with our biggest partners.

Until such a time that we reach new agreements there will be uncertainty over what it means for businesses, so the downturn is not unexpected.

 

[jp5]

Well I'm sorry but it's quite clear that they will not invoke Article 50 until they are satisfied with the negotiations and they are in the best interest of the U.K.

Well, EU leaders have made it clear they won't begin negotiations until Art.50 is triggered.

 

[SocketRocket]

Look I get that all you care about it leaving the EU - it's clear that's all that matters to you that the sooner we are away from the EU the better.

Well I'm sorry but it's quite clear that they will not invoke Article 50 until they are satisfied with the negotiations and they are in the best interest of the U.K. - those negotiations can and I expect will take a good number of years when you consider the Swiss took over 9 years to negotiate favourable terms with the EU. Now I fully expect the government will be more concerned to making sure the right thing is done for the future of the nation - I'm not sure how you can even mention the likes of Hilter etc and attempt to find some relevance

The government won't ignore the result of the vote - I have no doubt they will have it in the forefront of their minds - the closeness of the result will certainly be clear , the aftermath right now will be clear , the affect it is having on people's lives will be clear and the reactions from a lot of people will be clear.

Regarding my own feelings on this, I am happy for us to take a few years to negotiate our exit and let the dust settle, if it can be done faster then thats also good so that we can get on with our future. No real rush though.

There will be no discussions with the EU before Article 50 is invoked, Merkel has made that quite clear. Discussions will then take up to two years, you cant compare Switzerland as they were not leaving the EU but setting up a trade deal with them.

I mentioned Hitler etc as they were examples who ignored their people and decide what they thought was best for them, just like it would be if our government decided to ignore the referendum result. A very apt comparison.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well, EU leaders have made it clear they won't begin negotiations until Art.50 is triggered.

The guy they had on 5live whilst PMQ was going on was in no doubt that background talks will be going on between the countries and will continue to do so - it's also in their best interests as well

 

[larmen]

The guy they had on 5live whilst PMQ was going on was in no doubt that background talks will be going on between the countries and will continue to do so - it's also in their best interests as well

Between countries so far does not involve the UK.

 

[ColchesterFC]

The best thing the UK could do now is phone up the Japanese Prime Minister and say "Look we want to buy a shed load of your cars, how about a free trade agreement between our two countries with no trade tariffs so that we can send you a big pot of money for your exports". In my opinion the Japanese will look at it and say yes. Then we phone up Angela Merkel and say "Look Angela, about your nice shiney BMWs, Audis and Porsches that you like to sell us. We've just signed an agreement with Japan for free trade and they are going to start shipping us their cars in a couple of weeks. Why don't you have a think about that and then toddle off back to the EU to sort out an agreement for us as well so you can keep selling us your cars".

 

[SocketRocket]

Wisdom from the past:

[video=youtube;37iHSwA1SwE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE[/video]

 

[SocketRocket]

The best thing the UK could do now is phone up the Japanese Prime Minister and say "Look we want to buy a shed load of your cars, how about a free trade agreement between our two countries with no trade tariffs so that we can send you a big pot of money for your exports". In my opinion the Japanese will look at it and say yes. Then we phone up Angela Merkel and say "Look Angela, about your nice shiney BMWs, Audis and Porsches that you like to sell us. We've just signed an agreement with Japan for free trade and they are going to start shipping us their cars in a couple of weeks. Why don't you have a think about that and then toddle off back to the EU to sort out an agreement for us as well so you can keep selling us your cars".

I like it. It's a big old world out there for us Little Englanders to trade with.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The best thing the UK could do now is phone up the Japanese Prime Minister and say "Look we want to buy a shed load of your cars, how about a free trade agreement between our two countries with no trade tariffs so that we can send you a big pot of money for your exports". In my opinion the Japanese will look at it and say yes. Then we phone up Angela Merkel and say "Look Angela, about your nice shiney BMWs, Audis and Porsches that you like to sell us. We've just signed an agreement with Japan for free trade and they are going to start shipping us their cars in a couple of weeks. Why don't you have a think about that and then toddle off back to the EU to sort out an agreement for us as well so you can keep selling us your cars".

Do we not already build most of the Japanese makes in this country as it is ?

Honda , Nissan , Toyota already made in the UK ( and then distributed around the UK and EU ) and already import the others

 

[Foxholer]

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I mentioned Hitler etc as they were examples who ignored their people and decide what they thought was best for them, just like it would be if our government decided to ignore the referendum result. A very apt comparison.

And on this I completely disagree!

Hitler convinced the German people that he was right - or at least enough of them to win power 'democratically'! It's only in that way that any comparison can be made. And, unfortunately for your argument, you are actually equating Hitlers rise to power with Brexit's win - though the comparison might be valid, as there were a considerable number of untruths involved by both!!

I'm certain that within a month both Sterling and the Stock Market will have settled - though at significantly lower values. Then, the long-winded negotiation process can begin, with or without invocation of Article 50 (they'll simply be called 'preliminary discussions' before the announcement) and some sort of trade agreement will be negotiated. It will, however, be a more expensive exercise for most UK companies, so will make them less competitive - as will the 'availability of cheap (EU immigrant) labour' that has been the case for the past several years!

 

[SocketRocket]

Do we not already build most of the Japanese makes in this country as it is ?

Honda , Nissan , Toyota already made in the UK ( and then distributed around the UK and EU ) and already import the others

Only certain models. Take a look at the Roayl Portbury Dock at Bristol to see the number of cars imported into the UK, it's massive.

 

[Foxholer]

Do we not already build most of the Japanese makes in this country as it is ?

Honda , Nissan , Toyota already made in the UK ( and then distributed around the UK and EU ) and already import the others

Many/most of those are likely to disappear when they next review the siting of manufacturing plants!

I don't think Sunderland is likely to get any EU targeted plants!!

 

[MarkE]

Sorry, but you've got to be incredibly ill-informed to come to that conclusion.

The economy is taking a hit because we have made a commitment to tear up our trading agreement with our biggest partners.

Until such a time that we reach new agreements there will be uncertainty over what it means for businesses, so the downturn is not unexpected.

I'm as ill informed as the next person. There was always going to be a dip, it's just much worse than it needed to be because of the constant negativity from our 'leaders'. The markets will sort themselves out, no doubt with plenty of economists making millions out of the downturn, as they always do. What's needed is a new PM in place swiftly to get on with things.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Only certain models.

Honda already invested 200m into the plant at Swindon a number of months back

But as has already been said all the car manufacturers based in the UK trade and distribute to mainland EU -

But that could all change with them possibly leaving the UK to be based in mainland Europe instead

https://next.ft.com/content/1bef35ac-3c44-11e6-8716-a4a71e8140b0

That's a lot of jobs possibly going.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Do we not already build most of the Japanese makes in this country as it is ?

Honda , Nissan , Toyota already made in the UK ( and then distributed around the UK and EU ) and already import the others

I would imagine that the ones we currently import are done under the EU trade agreement. A direct agreement between ourselves and Japan surely wouldn't be too hard to negotiate. And as EU rules will no longer apply why not offer them some incentives to continue manufacturing here?

And while we're at it get on to some of the New World wine producers and give them the same deal and then tell the French that we're sorted for wine so we aren't fussed if they don't want to sell us any tariff free.