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Which is where assumptions get you into trouble....even Farage doesn't "want" a hard brexit, but would take it over the bad deal that Theresa May had cobbled together.
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Which is where assumptions get you into trouble....even Farage doesn't "want" a hard brexit, but would take it over the bad deal that Theresa May had cobbled together.
Taz
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Decisive statement from Abacus
aren't all PM’s are unelected
Grant85
Head Pro
As someone who is pro EU, and become more so since 2016, I am quite heartened by the results.
Pro EU Parties (LD, Change, Greens, SNP, Plaid) = 40.4%
Pro Brexit Parties (Brexit and UKIP) = 34.9%
If you were to add Labour votes as Pro EU and Tory votes as Pro Brexit, then we get;
Pro EU = 54.5%
Pro Brexit = 44%.
Appreciate that is a big If, in terms of Labour votes. But it looks increasingly likely that Labour will be far more vocal on the People's Vote front, and if they were to whip their MPs to support this at Westminster, then I'd reckon there is a reasonable chance of it passing. And at that point, it is game on.
Pro EU Parties (LD, Change, Greens, SNP, Plaid) = 40.4%
Pro Brexit Parties (Brexit and UKIP) = 34.9%
If you were to add Labour votes as Pro EU and Tory votes as Pro Brexit, then we get;
Pro EU = 54.5%
Pro Brexit = 44%.
Appreciate that is a big If, in terms of Labour votes. But it looks increasingly likely that Labour will be far more vocal on the People's Vote front, and if they were to whip their MPs to support this at Westminster, then I'd reckon there is a reasonable chance of it passing. And at that point, it is game on.
BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
To be fair, some lazy journalists at the beeb were reporting this. Isn't it a bit unfair on the Greens to ignore all their other policies?
What if someone wants to save planet and also wishes to leave the EU, what do they do?
Surely only a 2nd ref would properly answer the question in #10
Mudball
Assistant Pro
I think you should ignore both Tory and Labour... both have no clue on what they want.
But if you keep the others clubbed based on their Pro and Anti stance.. then there is a 6% gap between Stay and Leave ... that is significant given the marginal difference during the referendum.
I am sure someone is going to come along and say that unlike the Referendum, this vote included EU nationals so is not representational of the referendum..
Doon frae Troon
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Yes I know, I just followed the Brexit voters definitions of EU leaders.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Of course people have their different reasons for voting, but this election was quite clearly made to be a proxy vote on remain vs. no deal by TBP.
Those who want to the leave the EU but also save the planet will have had to judge their priorities!
Tashyboy
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Just to add to that, listening to someone last night ( labour MP) and he mentioned enviromental issues. I said to Missis T " I have not heard one person vote where the environment was a massive factor". It came across as a sad excuse for why Labour didn't do anything, and again someone is not listening. Plus am not saying enviromental issues are not important, but to use it as an excuse.
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Let’s keep ignoring maths eh?
BubbaP
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With so many votes moving from the traditional big two, Change UK must be a tad disappointed you'd think
chrisd
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Go on then, this vote included EU nationals ..............
No one knows why Labour and Conservative voters voted the way they did and so you cant ignore them or add them to either in or out votes. The majority of people didn't bother to vote at all so you cant categorise them, but a huge number of them would have voted in the referendum in 2014 and no one can categorise their wishes. Its clear that the Brexit Party did really well given only 6 weeks of existence and that the Liberals would have some votes whatever their EU stance as would the Greens in the same way that Labour and Conservatives would too - so, no one can claim this is definitively a vote to remain or leave, it was a meaningless vote !
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As much as I don’t believe we should of taken part in these elections, I don’t think it was a completely meaningless vote based on turnout.
With Scotland and NI yet to declare it is currently the 2nd highest turnout in the UK since these elections began, that for me at least says more people were bothered/interested in the result.
Old Skier
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What is TBP
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Typical Tankie!!
The Brexit Party.
Tashyboy
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry, Labour who are on course for 14% of the total vote. Have said through Jeremy Corbyn " we are the party to unite the country" . Didn't know that JC was stepping down.
That aside, there are calls for Labour to massively change its policy on EU, remain,brexit policy. Again do I laugh or cry. What was Labours policy on the EU. I honestly don't know. I can understand Labour changing its " unknown" policy, but is it because it is for the good of the country, or is it once more because Labour/ JC are going for a popular vote winner. Either way, Labour as well as the Torys are up the creek. The Torys are in meltdown, yet Labour cannot make any gains. They are as bad. I cannot believe that Jezza is still in a job.
That aside, there are calls for Labour to massively change its policy on EU, remain,brexit policy. Again do I laugh or cry. What was Labours policy on the EU. I honestly don't know. I can understand Labour changing its " unknown" policy, but is it because it is for the good of the country, or is it once more because Labour/ JC are going for a popular vote winner. Either way, Labour as well as the Torys are up the creek. The Torys are in meltdown, yet Labour cannot make any gains. They are as bad. I cannot believe that Jezza is still in a job.
chrisd
Major Champion
At a huge cost to the country we have an election where its (hopefully) unlikely that the candidates will get to take up their seats. I dont personally think that a vote simply to register a protest is worthwhile and the money better being spent elsewhere. Then we have all the "if you add this to that, and take away something else" which apparently proves this or that is ludicrous, much like "experts" did over the referendum results. The only thing I believe that is indisputable is that the people who voted TBP and UKIP are Brexiteers, or possibly true Democrats (who may have voted remain, but believe in the democratic principle) were definitely voting to leave the EU.
Old Skier
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Typical Tankie!!
Ta, everywhere I have looked it's just called Brexit Party. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_Party but we know how wrong wiki can be.
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You’d of got a big like if you’d of stopped after “referendum results.â€
chrisd
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You’d of got a big like if you’d of stopped after “referendum results.â€
I cant see anyone disputing the last sentence, you wouldn't vote Brexit or UKIP if you were a remainer unless the democratic principle was more important, had I not included that possibility the resident pedant would be all over it 😉
