EU elections

[MegaSteve]

The BP would be hard pressed to come up with a worse manifesto than the Tories did last time !
I'm sure once Corbyns plans are properly costed they'll be a busted flush.

If the LD's can select a charismatic leaders who knows , they might sneak up on the rails 😲

Cleggy was as 'charismatic' as the LibDems can deliver...
And, what a tool he turned out to be...

 

[Taz]

The LD's have 11 MP's right now. One is Vince Cable, the other Tim Farron, the last leader. That leaves them with a choice of 9 people to be that charismatic leader. There may be one out of that 9 but that is a tough ask from such a small pool of people.

I predict that the new mob, change , will end up merging, no where else to go.
Brings Chuka and a few others into the mix, Sourface can be discounted though 😆

 

[jp5]

Aren't most BP heirachy mainly disaffected right wing members of the Tory party?
I wouldn't call Farage or Widdecombe "socially caring" ex conservatives.

Will be interesting to see their GE manifesto certainly!

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Are the Brexit party not just a one issue protest group? Are they trying to be a UKIP and widen their horizons?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The LD's have 11 MP's right now. One is Vince Cable, the other Tim Farron, the last leader. That leaves them with a choice of 9 people to be that charismatic leader. There may be one out of that 9 but that is a tough ask from such a small pool of people.

Jo Swinson will be the next leader, she will do well.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Are the Brexit party not just a one issue protest group? Are they trying to be a UKIP and widen their horizons?

Surely once Brexit is achieved, under what ever guise, The Brexit Party will close, unless of course Farage decides to ignore democracy and start up yet another party.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Lots of commentary and conjecture.

From a low turnout again -

Brexit Party under Farage did well but only won a few more MEPs than UKIP did under Farage last time out. It's still a one man band. A party with no policies. At 2015 GE UKIP under Farage got zero MPs despite getting 24 MEPs the year before. Success in one doesn't lead directly to success in another.

The remain or leave balance can't be extrapolated properly from a low turnout and because Conservatives and Labour were not for one or the other - there are remain and leavers aplenty in both.

Leave vote is united behind Farage presently, remain vote is split across more parties. If the Euro election results were for a GE The Brexit Party could claim the win, but it's not a GE. Similarly if it was an in/out referendum last Thursday then remain are ahead of leave and could claim the win based on vote share. Again it's wasn't a referendum though.

Can be spun any way and is being. All it actually tells us is the number of MEPs each party has.

On the bold point alone, it was the 2nd highest turnout in EU Election history, rather than dismissing them or comparing them to other Domestic Election turnouts, all parties should look at why more bothered to get involved, especially when we keep hearing the public are fed up, if the trend was to continue in a GE the parties ignoring the reasons could suffer more.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Surely once Brexit is achieved, under what ever guise, The Brexit Party will close, unless of course Farage decides to ignore democracy and start up yet another party.

That is my thinking as well. There is no point to it once we leave the EU. If he keeps it going then surely it will start to disintegrate as UKIP have done.

 

[Jamesbrown]

Totally disagree, the Brexit vote is not strong enough to win many seats, less than 5 maximum IMO.
Brexit = UKIP a protest vote, simple as that, they just changed their name.
Can you honestly see the British public voting in Farage as PM.

Always voted Tory in general elections.
If the choice was given to me now, I’d vote for BP out of protest.
I’m sure many others would after not leaving on March 29th.
Most leave voters don’t have a party that supports their choice other than Farage’s ltd company.

Things are different now. The will of the majority hasn’t been exercised when it was supposed to.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Surely once Brexit is achieved, under what ever guise, The Brexit Party will close, unless of course Farage decides to ignore democracy and start up yet another party.

He kind of inferred on some podcast I was listening to that he would only really accept a hard Brexit as the 'true Brexit. And I suspect that if we do manage to negotiate a deal that includes things like backstops that will not be enough for him and he will carry on. Although it is debatable to me how much enthusiasm there would be for his party once we have Brexited in some form or another.

 

[MegaSteve]

Surely once Brexit is achieved, under what ever guise, The Brexit Party will close, unless of course Farage decides to ignore democracy and start up yet another party.

Forming or being seen as the leader of a niche political party can be quite financially lucrative...
Every milkshake thrown will see his income rise substantially...

 

[Taz]

I think the last couple of pages have identified two of Alastair Campbell's fake IDs.

He's been booted out after voting LD.

 

[Hacker Khan]

He's been booted out after voting LD.

So they expel him for the heinous crime of voting Lib Dem after years of service to Labour, yet seem to drag their heels a lot when it comes to expelling people for very unsavoury comments and antisemitism?

I think Labour and the Conservatives, where it seems every single cabinet minister is going for the leaders job and every one will shortly begin a monumental act of back stabbing, are in the final stages of implosion. Brexit is the gift that just keep giving.

 

[Taz]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1133336893536505857

 

[IanM]

All this just goes to show that Federalism by stealth was hugely unpopular...... Cameron assumed the media had done it's job. He was wrong.

 

[Hacker Khan]

And apparently this is fine. Wonder which way she voted?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

A chance for Corbyn to rid himself of another opponent, even though he is not an MP. Foolish.

 

[User62651]

And apparently this is fine. Wonder which way she voted? View attachment 27405

Knew he'd taken inspiration from somewhere -

 

[jp5]

Say what you want about Brexit but the impending implosion of centuries worth of political history is quite something to watch.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Say what you want about Brexit but the impending implosion of centuries worth of political history is quite something to watch.

True. You'd like to think that out of this omnishables will emerge a new way of doing politics that is fit for purpose. It takes into account how society now operates and how people want to feel they are represented, not just discarded as being irrelevant in a first past the post system where many constituencies never really change. Where we face the big challenges such as the environment, automation of many traditional jobs and the rise of new economic powerhouses.

Only joking, it will likely lead to more and more power crazed ideologues, creating fear where none should really exist, appealing to everyone's bassist instincts and herd mentalities and promising unachievable outcomes as long as you vote for them.