HankMarvin
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Marshalls are a waste of time if they have no authority to deal with the issues Phil is talking about & I am sure most members clubs would tell him to Phil off anyway......
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When have I ever made that suggestion ?
HankMarvin
Tour Rookie
You seem to be keen to point out everyone's faults so I just assumed you had none of your own.
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So your clubs has
Never had any issues with slow play and letting people through
Every single person rakes the bunker after
Never has anyone that speaks at the wrong time
Have ever had anyone ignore signs
Or indeed any poor levels of etiquette ?
Is your club the only club in the world then ?
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Maybe the issue you have is in having assumptions
HankMarvin
Tour Rookie
Now I know where all the bunkers have gone at our place, everyone takes them after ???????????
HankMarvin
Tour Rookie
Or maybe all the issues you have at your club are in your head.
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Or maybe they are not and it something a number of people have complained about hence why are looking at how to approach it.
Can you prove to me that all those listed happen at my club to the degree that we would need to look into having a marshal or use social media sites and emails to curb them 🤔
I've never seen a bunker not raked at my club, I've always been let through and been in many groups that have let faster groups through, we don't have many signs on our course, in the winter any roping is adhered to,
HankMarvin
Tour Rookie
I look forward as to how you deal with it then.If a member told you he did rake bunkers would you take his word for it ?
We have issues with unraked bunkers and unrepaired pitch marks but if you ask any golfer in the 19th they'd swear blind it wasn't them. Has to be someone. Same with slow play. We do have some slow rounds at times but speak to the people afterwards and they'll swear they were in position and up with the game in front (usually a hole and a half ahead)
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Maybe, just maybe that those who DONT rake replace or repair cos they've got the speed merchants up their arse banging on about slow play, rake replace and repairing takes er ........... Valuable time from the anti slow play busy lives!!!
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
It can only be an attitude change for improvements as Hacker said on a great post on page 7
I also think there’s a danger of blowing the problem out of proportion and I wonder if the poor etiquette examples are a bit like the ‘I want relief if my ball lies in a divot’ issue. It just doesn’t happen that often to represent a big problem
If you stick a 100 players on the course you might see a handful of instances of varying 'poor' etiquette between them but (& it needs to be acknowledged that it can never be completely eradicated) much of them are simply oversights or mistakes over playing of 1800 greens or several thousand bunkers, it really is pretty tiny in the scheme of things
How often does my ball actually land in a footprint in a bunker (I don’t even remember when this last happened)
Pitch-marks I see the pros re-repairing someone else’s pitch-mark on their line every single round on TV Is it then so difficult to imagine that if the original professional golfer couldn’t repair it properly that amateurs may also suffer from the same failing of making a repair not upto everyone else’s standards
Noise on someone’s swing, jeez we’ve all done something like this on rare occasions if we’re honest, it wasn’t malicious it was a mistake or affected a player that was completely unnoticed until it was too late. I recall doing it twice in the last 4 years due to a lack of 360 vision or a player playing unexpectedly and I felt rotten but say you’re sorry (mean it) and move on
Golf course signage is never held up as an example for its quality placement with clear instructions. We’ve all seen signs that aren’t clear so getting one wrong or missing it if a player is walking an unusual route is never going to be crime of the century fit for punishment. I don’t want the fairway looking like the local high street so I need to accept that from time to time on the odd occasion a sign will be missed
I just don’t think that poor etiquette is that rampant and we need to be careful about being to precious about it
I also think there’s a danger of blowing the problem out of proportion and I wonder if the poor etiquette examples are a bit like the ‘I want relief if my ball lies in a divot’ issue. It just doesn’t happen that often to represent a big problem
If you stick a 100 players on the course you might see a handful of instances of varying 'poor' etiquette between them but (& it needs to be acknowledged that it can never be completely eradicated) much of them are simply oversights or mistakes over playing of 1800 greens or several thousand bunkers, it really is pretty tiny in the scheme of things
How often does my ball actually land in a footprint in a bunker (I don’t even remember when this last happened)
Pitch-marks I see the pros re-repairing someone else’s pitch-mark on their line every single round on TV Is it then so difficult to imagine that if the original professional golfer couldn’t repair it properly that amateurs may also suffer from the same failing of making a repair not upto everyone else’s standards
Noise on someone’s swing, jeez we’ve all done something like this on rare occasions if we’re honest, it wasn’t malicious it was a mistake or affected a player that was completely unnoticed until it was too late. I recall doing it twice in the last 4 years due to a lack of 360 vision or a player playing unexpectedly and I felt rotten but say you’re sorry (mean it) and move on
Golf course signage is never held up as an example for its quality placement with clear instructions. We’ve all seen signs that aren’t clear so getting one wrong or missing it if a player is walking an unusual route is never going to be crime of the century fit for punishment. I don’t want the fairway looking like the local high street so I need to accept that from time to time on the odd occasion a sign will be missed
I just don’t think that poor etiquette is that rampant and we need to be careful about being to precious about it
Good post, some people are habitual moaners though and demand perfection, even though there possibly not that perfect themselves! Some people also get into a position of authority and feel the need to constantly flex their muscles and reinvent the wheel, usually to the detriment of the status quo and do more damage than good.
Maybe some clubs members as described in the OP are uncontrollable and all this poor etiquette is in defiance of how their club is being run 😜
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How many different golf courses do play each year ? How busy is your current course with either members or guest fees ?
Woburn for example found it was becoming that bad in regards - pitch marks , bunkers , divots etc that they increased their communication and notices and Marshalls were informed to take special notice - especially with corperate days
Maybe the ones who don't see the poor etiquette on the course can't because it's them being part of the poor etiquette :mmm:
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The best one I have ever heard was a guy putting on a short par-3 and there were two massive pitch marks next to his ball, one of which was obviously his. He left them both and when asked about them, shrugged his shoulders and said "I didn't know which one was mine".
He was on the club committee at the time.
He was on the club committee at the time.
Maybe, just maybe that those who DONT rake replace or repair cos they've got the speed merchants up their arse banging on about slow play, rake replace and repairing takes er ........... Valuable time from the anti slow play busy lives!!!
Speed merchants equally as bad as tortoises and arguably in so much of a hurry they'd be the first not to bother. The issues has sod all to do with pace and everything to do about selfish members being too lazy
😂😂 That's comedy gold, so clubs that have members that are respectable to their fellow golfers and their course don't exist!
Just because your club and course is suffering to the degree that you've had to look into marshals and needed to rant about it doesn't mean every club suffers from the same degree of issues that made you post about it, and to accuse any members of being the problem just because they don't see them occurring at their own club or when visiting some other courses to the levels that need addressing, is insulting IMO.
Maybe your club has much bigger issues than other clubs, I can understand some of the issues being noticed more at courses where there is a constant daily stream of societies of variable experience and no experience, but with what you've had to look into and are still attempting to address is a big problem at your private members club so I would suggest that just because you have that problem at your club to accuse other members of other clubs whom do not come across it as much is an attempt to water down the problem at your club now and attempt to give it a much wider focus, which I don't think is correct, well not to the level you needed to vent anyway.
Bravo. However I do feel a lot of club members at many courses could do more to repair pitch marks, even if they didn't cause them. Doesn't it come down to a basic etiquette and pride in your own club and course?
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We looked into getting a Marshall due to the increase in the size of membership and the course becoming busy at weekends - nothing to do with problems with etiquette
And if you read through the thread you will see that issues have been witnessed at other clubs so not sure why you keep attempting to put focus on my club.
The OP was about etiquette in general within golf
If you don't think etiquette is a problem then excellent - you don't need to do anything different. Have heard and spoken and read enough from people to suggest it is an issue in the wider area of golf and not just at one particular club.
And if you read through the thread you will see that issues have been witnessed at other clubs so not sure why you keep attempting to put focus on my club.
The OP was about etiquette in general within golf
If you don't think etiquette is a problem then excellent - you don't need to do anything different. Have heard and spoken and read enough from people to suggest it is an issue in the wider area of golf and not just at one particular club.
