Es14 launch monitor

[Alex1975]

I haven't bought the course simulation software. I just use the driving range and shot challenge for practice. I have linked my iPad to an overhead projector projecting on to a screen as you would with a simulator. So I hit the ball into the screen and the shot is tracked with a tracer ( just like on the telly) and all the numbers are displayed. See picture. It's a great system. Very accurate and great value for money compared to the competition. There have been a few threads on here about Skytrak but if you need to know more just let me know.

Thanks so much for this, it set me on a couple hour mission last night. I did seriously look at the Skytrak last year but it was beset with problems and the company who make it get a very bad rap for support and poor updates and communication.

I found this:

http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum...s-your-opinions-about-the-skytrak-to-be-heard

And it has some 2016 reviews. On balance I am out still based on the company them self. They comment a number of times in that post requesting some of the good reviews be moved into the main page. For me, if your commenting them answer some of the peoples problems. Seems some units work and some simply do not.

ES 16 is my next port of call.

 

[User 105]

Before I took the plunge on Skytrak I used a the ES12 which was really good and very accurate, so I have no doubts about the later versions that provide more information and the ES16 sounds amazing. it will be interesting to see the price point.
Skytrak would work equally as well on a practice range where you can use real balls, so there is no real need for an indoor area. I just took it to the nth degree. What is shown on the screen is also shown on the iPad. As with all these things including the ES12, there is little point using them at the driving range if they only provide range balls, as you only get the info from the ball, so less distance, ball speed etc from a range ball, so no use at all other than swing speed and direction which you can see anyway.

That's really useful info regarding range balls. Was the question I was going to ask as I'd mainly be using mine at the range.

I was about to hit the buy button but this has now swung me the other way. Might hold of and see what the ES16 costs vs functionality.

Anyone have any costs\launch dates ? The tend to launch ate the PGa show which I think is usually in Jan.

 

[Alex1975]

That's really useful info regarding range balls. Was the question I was going to ask as I'd mainly be using mine at the range.

I was about to hit the buy button but this has now swung me the other way. Might hold of and see what the ES16 costs vs functionality.

Anyone have any costs\launch dates ? The tend to launch ate the PGa show which I think is usually in Jan.

Hard to find proper info but its looking like $4k so lots.... some info here: (later posts more relevant)

http://golfsimulatorforum.com/forum.../42097-ernest-sports-es16-new-camera-based-lm

I have been chatting to the Flightscope guy this afternoon about a radar but I am not sure its going to be great over the distance I am thinking of.

 

[simmb]

That's really useful info regarding range balls. Was the question I was going to ask as I'd mainly be using mine at the range.

I was about to hit the buy button but this has now swung me the other way. Might hold of and see what the ES16 costs vs functionality.

Anyone have any costs\launch dates ? The tend to launch ate the PGA show which I think is usually in Jan.

I think they did a soft launch at this years PGA show. The initial speculation was that this would come in around the 3-4K mark but I think it's already available on sites for around the 5-6K (euro) mark. It's also supposed to be a work in progress they are basically using the early adopters of the ES16 as guinea pigs. At that price you are getting into GC2 territory and that already has a proven track record. If it is a 6K bit of kit I think they have missed a trick, something in between Skytrak and GC2 would have been a welcome addition to the current offerings. I know flightscope have something in the 3-4K range but that needs a bit more space to use.

 

[Alex1975]

I think they did a soft launch at this years PGA show. The initial speculation was that this would come in around the 3-4K mark but I think it's already available on sites for around the 5-6K (euro) mark. It's also supposed to be a work in progress they are basically using the early adopters of the ES16 as guinea pigs. At that price you are getting into GC2 territory and that already has a proven track record. If it is a 6K bit of kit I think they have missed a trick, something in between Skytrak and GC2 would have been a welcome addition to the current offerings. I know flightscope have something in the 3-4K range but that needs a bit more space to use.

And seemingly needs a silver dot on the ball....

 

[turkish]

What extra do you get from es14 to es12 as there's about £200+ difference of the 2.

 

[3565]

What extra do you get from es14 to es12 as there's about £200+ difference of the 2.

Ive not used ES12, so I can't comment on it or judge it either. I like the 14 tho and like I said earlier it's not far off being accurate. Their is a little input you need to do with club lofts, altitude, the app that can be linked to phone or pad gives you range sessions where it records each shot, you input the direction after each shot, then you can go to range view where it maps out the flight. A bit gimmicky IMO. The other good thing is the practise session where the unit gives you a differing yardage and you have to hit that yardage and it gives points if your within a certain distances. Bit like Dustin Johnson calling yardage on Trackman.
If your at a range then once set up just bash away, but if on grass and divots, then you may have to move the unit every so often as the ball like most monitors need to be in a certain area for it to be read.

The 16 is the dogs apparently but I've heard it's around the 4K mark but with 4 Dopplers and 2 camera its moving monitors into another realm.

 

[User 105]

1590458[/URL]]I think they did a soft launch at this years PGA show. The initial speculation was that this would come in around the 3-4K mark but I think it's already available on sites for around the 5-6K (euro) mark. It's also supposed to be a work in progress they are basically using the early adopters of the ES16 as guinea pigs. At that price you are getting into GC2 territory and that already has a proven track record. If it is a 6K bit of kit I think they have missed a trick, something in between Skytrak and GC2 would have been a welcome addition to the current offerings. I know flightscope have something in the 3-4K range but that needs a bit more space to use.

Sounds like the es16 is going to be a great bit of kit but at 3-4K that's a bit too steep.

That kind of price point I'd say is not a consumer device. I think £2k is probably the limit and even then that's probably quite a small market.

Gona have a think over the weekend and do some man maths

 

[Alex1975]

Sounds like the es16 is going to be a great bit of kit but at 3-4K that's a bit too steep.

That kind of price point I'd say is not a consumer device. I think £2k is probably the limit and even then that's probably quite a small market.

Gona have a think over the weekend and do some man maths

Its looking like it was released too early at the moment. I guess they ran out of R&D budget and had to bring it out. I understand the support is excellent though as they work through the problems(not keen on being a beta tester at that price). I think some low build quality too. Looking more like $5k though that is not official.

 

[turkish]

Ive not used ES12, so I can't comment on it or judge it either. I like the 14 tho and like I said earlier it's not far off being accurate. Their is a little input you need to do with club lofts, altitude, the app that can be linked to phone or pad gives you range sessions where it records each shot, you input the direction after each shot, then you can go to range view where it maps out the flight. A bit gimmicky IMO. The other good thing is the practise session where the unit gives you a differing yardage and you have to hit that yardage and it gives points if your within a certain distances. Bit like Dustin Johnson calling yardage on Trackman.
If your at a range then once set up just bash away, but if on grass and divots, then you may have to move the unit every so often as the ball like most monitors need to be in a certain area for it to be read.

The 16 is the dogs apparently but I've heard it's around the 4K mark but with 4 Dopplers and 2 camera its moving monitors into another realm.

With what you've said I don't know if the 16 is worth the extra £200 as having compared the both. The 14 estimates spin, launch and smash factor which the 12 doesn't so would be useful for some. The 12 does carry/total distance and ball speed.

I'm thinking of just getting the 12 as looking to work on wedge carry distances from under 100 yards so probably suits my needs most.

 

[3565]

With what you've said I don't know if the 16 is worth the extra £200 as having compared the both. The 14 estimates spin, launch and smash factor which the 12 doesn't so would be useful for some. The 12 does carry/total distance and ball speed.

I'm thinking of just getting the 12 as looking to work on wedge carry distances from under 100 yards so probably suits my needs most.

The 14 does carry and total as well as ball speed. But by the sounds of it the 12 would suit if your only doing 100 and in.

 

[turkish]

One other question regarding both and this might seem silly but if you hit a really high lob shot does the es12 and es14 see the ball? Just wondering as know it's radar and can see how it would register shots going straight out in front but just wondering if high lob and pitch shots might get missed? As you place the unit over a foot in front of where ball is?

 

[3565]

The 14 has a stand on the back which is adjustable. it has a lock slide on the back that adjusts the angle for the clubs you use in 3 positions. So driver to 5i the 14 is pretty much at roughly 30* then 6-9 it's 45* I think then for wedges it's at 75*

 

[ger147]

Just ordered one to help with my winter work on the wedges.

 

[Bobirdie]

Let me know how it is bud

 

[ger147]

Let me know how it is bud

Will do.

 

[guest100718]

The reviews of it are generrally quite positive, I may ask santa for one.

 

[Region3]

The 14 does carry and total as well as ball speed. But by the sounds of it the 12 would suit if your only doing 100 and in.

I'm also thinking of getting something for wedge distances, but have some doubts about the ES12/14.

When you tell it the loft of the club you're using, does it just use that info to narrow down the corridor it's looking for the ball in or does the loft mean it presets the launch angle?

For example, if I hit a floaty shot and a low punch with the same wedge, will it "see" the different trajectories and give a correct carry distance, or just work on ball speed and a set trajectory to give false distances?

 

[3565]

I'm also thinking of getting something for wedge distances, but have some doubts about the ES12/14.

When you tell it the loft of the club you're using, does it just use that info to narrow down the corridor it's looking for the ball in or does the loft mean it presets the launch angle?

For example, if I hit a floaty shot and a low punch with the same wedge, will it "see" the different trajectories and give a correct carry distance, or just work on ball speed and a set trajectory to give false distances?

Good question and I don't know the answer to the floaty shot, I've only tend to use it for full shots although I have done a session on 50-70 yd knock down with a gap wedge, and it's been pretty good. I'll have to try the floater and it be interesting on short pitch shots too.
As for the workings out I think it calculates on certain parameters, which includes sea level input, loft, launch angle, spin etc. I'm not that way inclined to know how it works it out but Im happy with it and it does me.
I will be using it for wedge work this winter myself. I'd like a grander launch monitor but at the mo this will do. Sorry if I've not answered your question properly, I'll get back to you if I find out more.

 

[Region3]

Good question and I don't know the answer to the floaty shot, I've only tend to use it for full shots although I have done a session on 50-70 yd knock down with a gap wedge, and it's been pretty good. I'll have to try the floater and it be interesting on short pitch shots too.
As for the workings out I think it calculates on certain parameters, which includes sea level input, loft, launch angle, spin etc. I'm not that way inclined to know how it works it out but Im happy with it and it does me.
I will be using it for wedge work this winter myself. I'd like a grander launch monitor but at the mo this will do. Sorry if I've not answered your question properly, I'll get back to you if I find out more.

Thanks for the reply.

If you have the time to do it, I think a good way to answer the question would be to either:

Hit a normal pitch shot with PW then with SW without telling the machine you've changed clubs, or
Hit a normal pitch shot with PW, then tell it you've changed to SW but continue hitting the PW.

Does that make sense?