Ed Miliband and the Labour Party

[Deleted member 15344]

When I joined my current golf club a bit over 4 years ago, I could normally make the 3.5 mile journey there in no more than 25 minutes, even in the peak of the rush hour. Now it is rarely less than 45 minutes and can take an hour during the rush hour, which incidentally now seems to start a lot earlier. 4 years ago if I left home at 07:30 I could expect to get a clear run, but not now. You can choose to disbelieve me if you want, but these are facts.

I understand that there are about 500 British Muslims fighting for ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

So please back up your statement that its immigrants causing your traffic jam ?

And you understand it's 500 or you have a factual statement to back it up

 

[Foxholer]

Don't you just love how topics just well kinda go off topic

Well, there is a 'kind of' connection - it was Labour that signed up to allow anyone and everyone from EU in with no restrictions, unlike Germany and France which had transitional restrictions on labour market.

Btw. That's actually where the big discrepancy between the 13000 estimate and the 50000 actual (estimated at 46000 apparently) came from, but who remembers caveats when there's a headline to be grabbed!

 

[delc]

So please back up your statement that its immigrants causing your traffic jam ?

And you understand it's 500 or you have a factual statement to back it up

The traffic jams could either be caused by the economic upturn and more people travelling to work or the school run. The traffic is still fairly light during the school holidays, so it's more likely to be the latter. A lot of the immigrants that New Labour allowed to pour into the country (not only East Europeans by the way) have been here long enough to have school age children, and it is well known that all the schools in the Greater London and surrounding areas are full to bursting point with children. Immigrants are most likely to flock to the Metropolitan areas such as London because that is where the jobs are, and I guess that with all the additional benefits they get, they can afford to buy at least secondhand cars to run their children to school!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That reminds me......anyone else watch the 'What we said in the 1970's' TV programme.
Really scarey looking back.

The classic was a clip from the Black and White Minstrel Show with a blacked up minstrel playing a Chinaman singing Oh Mr Woo.

 

[delc]

That reminds me......anyone else watch the 'What we said in the 1970's' TV programme.
Really scarey looking back.

The classic was a clip from the Black and White Minstrel Show with a blacked up minstrel playing a Chinaman singing Oh Mr Woo.

So as long as it was respectful, what was wrong with that? Another thing I hate the Labour Party for is all the pseudo 'Political Correctness' that we are now expected to adhere to! You can't call a spade a spade any more, and even the PC version can become a term of abuse over time, e.g. 'coloured' to describe a non-white person. It's corrupting the English language. :angry:

 

[DCB]

Let's be careful gents, some views being expressed here will cause offence. Be careful in what you post and how you post.

 

[Foxholer]

And you understand it's 500 or you have a factual statement to back it up

I knew I'd seen that number too.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30048278

 

[Tashyboy]

Well, there is a 'kind of' connection - it was Labour that signed up to allow anyone and everyone from EU in with no restrictions, unlike Germany and France which had transitional restrictions on labour market.

Btw. That's actually where the big discrepancy between the 13000 estimate and the 50000 actual (estimated at 46000 apparently) came from, but who remembers caveats when there's a headline to be grabbed!

It was a kinda tongue in cheek comment, I started a topic a month or two ago titled UKIP a change on the political horizon or not. Having read most of this topic and mine, most comments could of been on either topic.

 

[Foxholer]

It was a kinda tongue in cheek comment, I started a topic a month or two ago titled UKIP a change on the political horizon or not. Having read most of this topic and mine, most comments could of been on either topic.

Given that Immigration - and UKIP/EU - is the current hot political topic, it's likely that all 'political' threads will end up in (descend to?) discussion about immigration. A bit surprised with the leap to traffic congestion though! That was from way out in left field!

 

[delc]

Given that Immigration - and UKIP/EU - is the current hot political topic, it's likely that all 'political' threads will end up in (descend to?) discussion about immigration. A bit surprised with the leap to traffic congestion though! That was from way out in left field!

Recent immigration has increased the population density in South-East England to one of the highest in Europe. Our infrastructure (roads, hospitals, schools, social services, etc) is struggling to cope with all these extra people!

 

[Foxholer]

Recent immigration has increased the population density in South-East England to one of the highest in Europe. Our infrastructure (roads, hospitals, schools, social services, etc) is struggling to cope with all these extra people!

I detect a touch of deja-vu about that statement!

Have you actually got any real evidence that it's immigration that's causing it as opposed to internal migration - from UK folk outside London area to London area? Or is it just the usual unsubstantiated blather?!

Infrastructure is something that has ALWAYS struggled! London's population, which is increasing at the fastest rate, increased by a little over 1% in 2012/13 (the latest data available). That certainly isn't going to cause the problems you've been blaming immigration for!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Recent immigration has increased the population density in South-East England to one of the highest in Europe. Our infrastructure (roads, hospitals, schools, social services, etc) is struggling to cope with all these extra people!

Can I make a suggestion - a polite one

When you make these statements of yours can you please provide the evidence to back the statements

Your attitude towards immigrants is shocking - Farage will be proud to have such a dedicated follower

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Can I make a suggestion - a polite one

When you make these statements of yours can you please provide the evidence to back the statements

Your attitude towards immigrants is shocking - Farage will be proud to have such a dedicated follower

Give up Phil.

He will just keep coming out with all the prejudiced apocryphal claims that are sadly all too common.

"Immigrants get everything given to them the moment they arrive in the country."
"All Muslims are jihadists."
"Crime is all down to the foreigners."

etc; etc;

He clearly does not bother about facts so you can't win.

 

[delc]

Give up Phil.

He will just keep coming out with all the prejudiced apocryphal claims that are sadly all too common.

"Immigrants get everything given to them the moment they arrive in the country."
"All Muslims are jihadists."
"Crime is all down to the foreigners."

etc; etc;

He clearly does not bother about facts so you can't win.

I have provided plenty of facts and statistics, which is more than any of my critics have done!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I have provided plenty of facts and statistics, which is more than any of my critics have done!

If you really think the links you provided were any sort of support for your arguments then you are seriously kidding yourself.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I have provided plenty of facts and statistics, which is more than any of my critics have done!

You have posted lots of articles and numbers

But none of them backs up anything you have said in regards

Immigrants being the blame for your traffic issues

The UK allowing "loads" of Islamic Fundamentalists into the country

I'm amazed you have been allowed to spout your offensive rubbish.

 

[Foxholer]

I have provided plenty of facts and statistics, which is more than any of my critics have done!

None of them have been relevant to your claims though!

Where's that (legit) survey demonstrating immigrants are to blame for the increase in traffic between your home and the Golf Club at rush hour/school run time. Just about 5% increase (1.2% per year for 4 years) doesn't explain that increase! :temper:

 

[GreiginFife]

The traffic jams could either be caused by the economic upturn and more people travelling to work or the school run. The traffic is still fairly light during the school holidays, so it's more likely to be the latter. A lot of the immigrants that New Labour allowed to pour into the country (not only East Europeans by the way) have been here long enough to have school age children, and it is well known that all the schools in the Greater London and surrounding areas are full to bursting point with children. Immigrants are most likely to flock to the Metropolitan areas such as London because that is where the jobs are, and I guess that with all the additional benefits they get, they can afford to buy at least secondhand cars to run their children to school!

I just caught up on this thread and reached peak confusion with the above. Do you mean the second hand cars that were scrapped to make way for all the new shiny ones?
I have read (and heard) some cracking attempts at making correlations out of nothing and I, a) work in a bank, b) work in IT in a bank and c) work in IT in a bank in Glasgow.

 

[delc]

I just caught up on this thread and reached peak confusion with the above. Do you mean the second hand cars that were scrapped to make way for all the new shiny ones?
I have read (and heard) some cracking attempts at making correlations out of nothing and I, a) work in a bank, b) work in IT in a bank and c) work in IT in a bank in Glasgow.

A secondhand car is one that is not new and has been previously owned by somebody else! What is confusing about that?

 

[delc]

I don't think that Ed Miliband is the best leader that the Labour Party could have chosen, but even with a decent leader you have to consider their past record:

Final Salary pensions destroyed by Gordon Brown.
Tony Blair involved us in two unnecessary, expensive and unwinnable wars.
Ran up a huge fiscal deficit.
Presided over the biggest banking crash ever.
Uncontrolled immigration.

Going further back in time:
The winter of discontent.
High levels of inflation.
The death of the British car and aeronautical industries.