Drinking at the golf club over christmas......???

[Pro Zach]

It seems the majority are very much against drink driving. The argument appears to be that a car is a lethal weapon. So as responsible people you think you should take all reasonable precautions to minimise the risk to others. So if you live within 10 miles of the club, why don't you walk or cycle, thereby removing all risk of you killing someone with your lethal weapon?


Sober drivers kill and injure many people every year. So is it not socially irresponsible to make any non essential car journey? Shouldn't people who are irresponsible enough to risk the life of others, simply to go to the golf club, be locked up?

 

[G1BB0]

I darent have a drop if driving, I know the 1st pint or 2 affects me fairly quickly so therfore my alcohol level would fail.

I can do an all nighter and be ok but them 1st few go straight to my head

On an honesty note I have drove when pissed and in the morning thought why the hell did I do it, I drive for my job and being a single dad jail would rip my family apart, I still did it at the time cos the old grey matter kicks in saying 'nah your ok, its only up the road' How many who have done the same are now inside or unemployed and living a personal nightmare... I bet its plenty!!!

Now if I take the car and have a few pints I give my keys to a mate so I cant even be tempted

its just not worth it

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Refreshing to see so many forummers taking a solid stand behind not drinking and driving. Would stiffer sentences including prison make a difference? With overcrowded jails and civil liberty liberals already vocal about any violation of a felons human rights (and bugger the rights and feelings of the victims and their families dealing with the outcomes) then I doubt very much if any government will be brave enough to even consider it. Until then, fines and bans will be the order of the day. The one thing that really hacks me off are those that a) drive drunk and b) aren't insured, b) drive while banned.

 

[stevie_r]

It seems the majority are very much against drink driving. The argument appears to be that a car is a lethal weapon. So as responsible people you think you should take all reasonable precautions to minimise the risk to others. So if you live within 10 miles of the club, why don't you walk or cycle, thereby removing all risk of you killing someone with your lethal weapon?


Sober drivers kill and injure many people every year. So is it not socially irresponsible to make any non essential car journey? Shouldn't people who are irresponsible enough to risk the life of others, simply to go to the golf club, be locked up?

Are you taking the proverbial?

 

[Imurg]

So if you live within 10 miles of the club, why don't you walk or cycle, thereby removing all risk of you killing someone with your lethal weapon? How long do you want a round to take?
All day?


Sober drivers kill and injure many people every year. So is it not socially irresponsible to make any non essential car journey? Shouldn't people who are irresponsible enough to risk the life of others, simply to go to the golf club, be locked up?

Some who post idiotic ideas like this should be......:thup:

 

[Iaing]

It seems the majority are very much against drink driving. The argument appears to be that a car is a lethal weapon. So as responsible people you think you should take all reasonable precautions to minimise the risk to others. So if you live within 10 miles of the club, why don't you walk or cycle, thereby removing all risk of you killing someone with your lethal weapon?


Sober drivers kill and injure many people every year. So is it not socially irresponsible to make any non essential car journey? Shouldn't people who are irresponsible enough to risk the life of others, simply to go to the golf club, be locked up?

Drunk cycling is also an offence, carrying a maximum penalty of £2500.

 

[SocketRocket]

I did see a bit of technology a few years ago that was aimed at reducing drink driving. You had to blow into a device connected to the cars ignition. It measured the amount of alcohol in your breath and inhibhited the ignition switch if you were over the top. Seemed a great idea to me.

 

[Imurg]

I did see a bit of technology a few years ago that was aimed at reducing drink driving. You had to blow into a device connected to the cars ignition. It measured the amount of alchol in your breath and inhibhited the ignition switch if you were over the top. Seemed a great idea to me.

Until you find out that everyone's paying a student 10 quid to be outside the pub and blow into the machine for them.
Nice earner .........

 

[stevie_r]

Drunk cycling is also an offence, carrying a maximum penalty of £2500.

It's also pretty difficult

 

[SocketRocket]

Until you find out that everyone's paying a student 10 quid to be outside the pub and blow into the machine for them.
Nice earner .........

No , I think it covered that one it also checked for grass fumes.

 

[A1ex]

To be honest....as someone that drinks to ridiculous levels on a weekend and can take it. If I've had 1 pint I can feel the influence, even it is ever so slightly. That can make the difference. Anyone that says they can drink 3-4 pints and not notice is kidding themselves.

Unfortunately I was involved in an 80 mph RTA a few years ago, caused by a drink driver. Through a sheer miracle the 'only' damage was to witness someones right arm almost sliced off. One of the most distressing sights you could ever see, which still haunts me to this day.

Seriously it's not worth the risk. Not even one drink.

 

[StrangelyBrown]

Banning alcohol would be the best way forward.

As I recall, prohibition didn't work in the US in the 1920s, and it's not really working here with respect to drugs.

 

[Pro Zach]

I think you all missed the point. I am not advocating drink driving or drink cycling. Nor am I suggesting you shouldn't drive to the golf club. I was trying to point out that peoples hatred for drink drivers is unreasonable and disproportionate to the risk.


People argue against drink driving with the worst possible outcome. And yet argue driving sober as the best possible outcome. So if you have a drink it is almost a certainty that you are going to kill a child. If you don't have a drink it's a certainty that you won't kill a child.


Imurg suggests that he takes the car because he doesn't want his round of golf to take longer. Whether he admits it or not, his risk of killing someone increases if he drives his car. So whether he should do it, or whether it should be legal for him to do it, depends on the risk it poses. Is saving an hour or so on a round of golf worth the risk of killing someone?


If he has a drink he is the scum of the earth because he risks peoples lives. But if he risks peoples lives to save some time playing golf, he's a lovely bloke.


He can even drive to the course in the rain. The accident rate dramatically increases in wet weather, but he's still a lovely bloke.


He can get caught doing 39 on a wet road in a 30 zone on his way and he will probably get 3 points and a fine, or offered a driver awareness course. Many people would say hard luck mate, you'll have to be more careful next time.


If he gets caught 1mg over the drink limit he gets banned. Many people think he should be jailed.


I say peoples opinions are not proportionate to the risk posed.


I wasn't taking the proverbial. Drink driving was made illegal on the grounds that it isn't necessary and it increases the risk to others. We could easily make the same case for all non essential car journeys. They are not necessary and they increase the risk of killing people.

 

[chris661]

I wasn't taking the proverbial. Drink driving was made illegal on the grounds that it isn't necessary and it increases the risk to others. We could easily make the same case for all non essential car journeys. They are not necessary and they increase the risk of killing people.

By that logic we should all just stay in bed in case we kill someone, somehow during the day.

 

[stevie_r]

I think you all missed the point. I am not advocating drink driving or drink cycling. Nor am I suggesting you shouldn't drive to the golf club. I was trying to point out that peoples hatred for drink drivers is unreasonable and disproportionate to the risk.


People argue against drink driving with the worst possible outcome. And yet argue driving sober as the best possible outcome. So if you have a drink it is almost a certainty that you are going to kill a child. If you don't have a drink it's a certainty that you won't kill a child.


Imurg suggests that he takes the car because he doesn't want his round of golf to take longer. Whether he admits it or not, his risk of killing someone increases if he drives his car. So whether he should do it, or whether it should be legal for him to do it, depends on the risk it poses. Is saving an hour or so on a round of golf worth the risk of killing someone?


If he has a drink he is the scum of the earth because he risks peoples lives. But if he risks peoples lives to save some time playing golf, he's a lovely bloke.


He can even drive to the course in the rain. The accident rate dramatically increases in wet weather, but he's still a lovely bloke.


He can get caught doing 39 on a wet road in a 30 zone on his way and he will probably get 3 points and a fine, or offered a driver awareness course. Many people would say hard luck mate, you'll have to be more careful next time.


If he gets caught 1mg over the drink limit he gets banned. Many people think he should be jailed.


I say peoples opinions are not proportionate to the risk posed.


I wasn't taking the proverbial. Drink driving was made illegal on the grounds that it isn't necessary and it increases the risk to others. We could easily make the same case for all non essential car journeys. They are not necessary and they increase the risk of killing people.

I think I'll give up golf, it's not strictly necessary and I could potentially kill someone with a wayward drive - drunk or sober

 

[CliveW]

By that logic we should all just stay in bed in case we kill someone, somehow during the day.

The majority of deaths occur in bed, therefore it is probably the most dangerous place to be!

 

[DaveM]

I think you all missed the point. I am not advocating drink driving or drink cycling. Nor am I suggesting you shouldn't drive to the golf club. I was trying to point out that peoples hatred for drink drivers is unreasonable and disproportionate to the risk.


People argue against drink driving with the worst possible outcome. And yet argue driving sober as the best possible outcome. So if you have a drink it is almost a certainty that you are going to kill a child. If you don't have a drink it's a certainty that you won't kill a child.


Imurg suggests that he takes the car because he doesn't want his round of golf to take longer. Whether he admits it or not, his risk of killing someone increases if he drives his car. So whether he should do it, or whether it should be legal for him to do it, depends on the risk it poses. Is saving an hour or so on a round of golf worth the risk of killing someone?


If he has a drink he is the scum of the earth because he risks peoples lives. But if he risks peoples lives to save some time playing golf, he's a lovely bloke.


He can even drive to the course in the rain. The accident rate dramatically increases in wet weather, but he's still a lovely bloke.


He can get caught doing 39 on a wet road in a 30 zone on his way and he will probably get 3 points and a fine, or offered a driver awareness course. Many people would say hard luck mate, you'll have to be more careful next time.


If he gets caught 1mg over the drink limit he gets banned. Many people think he should be jailed.


I say peoples opinions are not proportionate to the risk posed.


I wasn't taking the proverbial. Drink driving was made illegal on the grounds that it isn't necessary and it increases the risk to others. We could easily make the same case for all non essential car journeys. They are not necessary and they increase the risk of killing people.

This is NOT a valid point. Infact I have never read so much tosh. DD cannot be justifide in any way. How can you justifiy, something ilegal with something legal. No logic whats so ever!

 

[fat-tiger]

The majority of deaths occur in bed, therefore it is probably the most dangerous place to be!

is that why there always walking round on hospital wards

 

[Airlie_Andy]

I think you all missed the point. I am not advocating drink driving or drink cycling. Nor am I suggesting you shouldn't drive to the golf club. I was trying to point out that peoples hatred for drink drivers is unreasonable and disproportionate to the risk.


People argue against drink driving with the worst possible outcome. And yet argue driving sober as the best possible outcome. So if you have a drink it is almost a certainty that you are going to kill a child. If you don't have a drink it's a certainty that you won't kill a child.


Imurg suggests that he takes the car because he doesn't want his round of golf to take longer. Whether he admits it or not, his risk of killing someone increases if he drives his car. So whether he should do it, or whether it should be legal for him to do it, depends on the risk it poses. Is saving an hour or so on a round of golf worth the risk of killing someone?


If he has a drink he is the scum of the earth because he risks peoples lives. But if he risks peoples lives to save some time playing golf, he's a lovely bloke.


He can even drive to the course in the rain. The accident rate dramatically increases in wet weather, but he's still a lovely bloke.


He can get caught doing 39 on a wet road in a 30 zone on his way and he will probably get 3 points and a fine, or offered a driver awareness course. Many people would say hard luck mate, you'll have to be more careful next time.


If he gets caught 1mg over the drink limit he gets banned. Many people think he should be jailed.


I say peoples opinions are not proportionate to the risk posed.


I wasn't taking the proverbial. Drink driving was made illegal on the grounds that it isn't necessary and it increases the risk to others. We could easily make the same case for all non essential car journeys. They are not necessary and they increase the risk of killing people.

Hooleeeshhhot that's the biggest pile of nonsense I've ever read. I really do question how your allowed access to the Internet.

 

[Hobbit]

Drink Driving accounts for approx 400 deaths on the road and a further 13,000 injured. Arguing the toss over proportionate response is a tad insensitive at best. The reality is one 'ell of a lot of pain and suffering that would be avoided if people acted responsibly rather than selfishly. The limits that have been set aren't figures plucked out of the air for fun but bear a direct correlation to the risk of an accident.