DQ or not?

Hobbit said:
Tough one.

If you're going through the cards and find one without a signature its a DQ. Surely if you also can't find a card it has to be the same thing...?

There's also the problem that if it gets out that you're ignoring some rules for certain people you'll get the sticklers going ape, and also the next person that screws up will demand a concession.

As painful as it is, and a little unfair, DQ.
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This...

Ive been DQ twice for forgetting to sign the card, still got cut both times
 
If someone doesn't sign their card then DQ.
However, I don't think you can't DQ someone because they haven't handed in their card 20mins after they finish
 
For me if the card isn't present when the box is opened to start the process of finalising the Comp then it's not included and the person is DQ from the Comp
 
Liverpoolphil said:
For me if the card isn't present when the box is opened to start the process of finalising the Comp then it's not included and the person is DQ from the Comp
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That's not 'the start of the process of finalising....' then! That IS the the event that defines the actual closure of the comp! Subsequent activity is 'producing and publishing the results'! But certainly agree that that's the point where presence or absence of a player's card is checked!
 
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bobmac said:
Even if they finish at at 11.00 but don't return the card till 3pm?
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I wouldn't know exactly when the card goes into the box - would trust the players integrity to ensure the card goes into the box as soon as possible
 
bobmac said:
I was asking Phil
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On an open forum!

If it's ONLY for Phil, use a PM!

I've been the Competition Administrator at a club, so have experienced the sort of events that triggered Sawtooth's OP! It would be nice to treat everyone absolutely fairly, but without loading someone with a serious burden - of checking/registering the time a card is returned - the minor 'advantage' an early starter has over a late one (of being better able to recover from forgetting to post the card) is pretty trivial!
 
Stating a cutoff time gives the first group several hours longer to return their cards that the finishing group.
 
Just as an aside, is it the players fault you took the cards home to process there? They always get processed at the club where I play. Seems he tried his best to get it back once he'd realised his mistake but just got unlucky.
 
Beezerk said:
Just as an aside, is it the players fault you took the cards home to process there? They always get processed at the club where I play. Seems he tried his best to get it back once he'd realised his mistake but just got unlucky.
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Yeah I agree which is why I came down on the players side.

I usually do the scoring at home that isn't really the issue. The issue is not knowing how long after a player finishes his/her round do you consider a reasonable time to submit the scorecard.

I think probably 1 hour but will be fairer to say 1 hour from the point a person finishes their round (as opposed to 1 hr after the final group come in). This gives everybody the same amount of time to hand the card in.

Will see what the committee makes of it though they may have better suggestions.
 
sawtooth said:
Yeah I agree which is why I came down on the players side.

I usually do the scoring at home that isn't really the issue. The issue is not knowing how long after a player finishes his/her round do you consider a reasonable time to submit the scorecard.

I think probably 1 hour but will be fairer to say 1 hour from the point a person finishes their round (as opposed to 1 hr after the final group come in). This gives everybody the same amount of time to hand the card in.

Will see what the committee makes of it though they may have better suggestions.
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I disagree with this, sometimes I get in and the queue at the PSI is long so I go to the bar, I always tee off early so I'm back in around lunchtime and the comp is running until at least 3pm (last tee time), sometimes longer, as such I will be in the bar playing snooker or chatting, watching footy, eating and then on my way out of the club some hours later I will return to the PSI, if the comp is still running. I can't see how you can stipulate something like a time limit from when you get in, especially if the comp is still open and being played, it makes no sense to me at all!

The card simply needs to be placed in the box by the time the last group comes in, if you want to put a time on that, fill yer boots, but I think it's an isolated incident and far too much is being made of it.
 
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sawtooth said:
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I think probably 1 hour but will be fairer to say 1 hour from the point a person finishes their round (as opposed to 1 hr after the final group come in). This gives everybody the same amount of time to hand the card in.
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Is that practical though?

If you really want/need to enforce that, and play yourself, you would have to play in the first hour of the competition - and stay/be there until (up to) 1 hour after the last group finished. Or delegate someone to police the box for that period! Perhaps 'the Pro' could be used for such a task, but that's another 'for no reward' task being loaded on him/her!

As I posted earlier, from a practicality point of view, simply setting a time cutoff works almost as well and causes far less hassle! The change in the course (greens) from the amount of traffic on the course likely to have a far larger effect than the difference between an early starter and a late starter forgetting to put their card in the box!
 
Fish said:
I disagree with this, sometimes I get in and the queue at the PSI is long so I go to the bar, I always tee off early so I'm back in around lunchtime and the comp is running until at least 3pm (last tee time), sometimes longer, as such I will be in the bar playing snooker or chatting, watching footy, eating and then on my way out of the club some hours later I will return to the PSI, if the comp is still running. I can't see how you can stipulate something like a time limit from when you get in, especially if the comp is still open and being played, it makes no sense to me at all!

The card simply needs to be placed in the box by the time the last group comes in, if you want to put a time on that, fill yer boots, but I think it's an isolated incident and far too much is being made of it.
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Just throwing ideas around at the moment and getting as many views as possible.

It's an important matter though because one day this may cause an argument especially if it's a major board comp at stake.
 
Foxholer said:
Is that practical though?

If you really want/need to enforce that, and play yourself, you would have to play in the first hour of the competition - and stay/be there until (up to) 1 hour after the last group finished. Or delegate someone to police the box for that period! Perhaps 'the Pro' could be used for such a task, but that's another 'for no reward' task being loaded on him/her!

As I posted earlier, from a practicality point of view, simply setting a time cutoff works almost as well and causes far less hassle! The change in the course (greens) from the amount of traffic on the course likely to have a far larger effect than the difference between an early starter and a late starter forgetting to put their card in the box!
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Yeah looking more like a cut off time at the end of the last group finishing will work.
 
Only way to prevent a mix up id have a set time for card to be returned ie one hour after completion (in case guy goes for shower & grub ), the problem here is if a guy finished at 12 didnt return card til 2 u have no way of knowing this if all cards are not collected til 7 or 8 ?


Maybe a cut off of 1 hour after last group finishes & if you cant be there maybe get a member of staff to empty box .. ? not equal for all but at least its a defining time ,,


EDIT ,, note to self read ALL reply before answering :o
 
sawtooth said:
Just throwing ideas around at the moment and getting as many views as possible.

It's an important matter though because one day this may cause an argument especially if it's a major board comp at stake.
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If you have to collect the cards and take them home to check then I see no point in doing a cutoff time before the end of the comp, any such time has to be applied from the point the last group comes in, but you've got to afford them some time also, I think 1 hour after the last group gets in is more than sufficient.

I think some people have said 'well how do you know when they came in', well you and the Pro will know who they are so you simply let them know before going out to report to the Pro or you if indeed you're still there that they are in.

OK you've got to wait an hour in case someone hasn't handed their cards in (unlikely) but at least you can quickly count them at that point (or before) and if they are all in before the hour is up, you can bugger off!
 
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i find it stange how people bang on about golf being a game of integrity and honesty where you are fully prepared to trust a golfer to impose a penalty on himself for grounding a club in a hazard for example yet you cant trust the score he entered on the computer because the card wasn't signed or returned at a later time
 
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