Dodgy scoring

[Dcross92]

Played today and my playing partner who I've have played golf with since I started playing golf. However these days I'm very reluctant to play with him due to his obvious cheating. Suddenly double bogeys are bogeys and so on! He does it that much I cba to call him up on it! So naturally after every single game he reckons he's won.:sbox: Anyone else play with dodgy scorers?

 

[DAVEYBOY]

Played with 2 blokes a month or so back and when the one had his back turned his mate told me that they all have to watch exactly how many shots he has on every hole as he will very often write down a score with a shot or two knocked off each hole... And he was referring to comp play aswell He was shocking and apparently played off 18??? Lets just say he was using long irons to thin the ball out of bunkers :mmm:

Another reason why I play comps purely to reduce my HCP and with no intention of winning the damn thing...

 

[Slab]

Yeah seen it too

On here we worry about pace of play and is it ok to wear jeans in the clubhouse etc when the game is littered with incorrect scoring whether deliberate or due to lack of knowledge/understanding

Bit sad really

 

[HawkeyeMS]

If you don't pull him on it, don't complain about it, Simples. A cheat will always cheat until people start outing him

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Yeah seen it too

On here we worry about pace of play and is it ok to wear jeans in the clubhouse etc when the game is littered with incorrect scoring whether deliberate or due to lack of knowledge/understanding

Bit sad really

We have discussed this topic too, maybe you were still out on the course taking too long and missed it

 

[pbrown7582]

Yeah seen it too

On here we worry about pace of play and is it ok to wear jeans in the clubhouse etc when the game is littered with incorrect scoring whether deliberate or due to lack of knowledge/understanding

Bit sad really

there have been a few threads about cheating but its a tricky area and people have been named without proof which ptotentially leads to all sorts of legal problems.

I think If you see someone cheating or suspect you have to have it out with them there and then, or they will just continue to do it.

 

[NorfolkShaun]

Played with a guy like this once, but he was only a social player so why fall out about something that really does not matter to me.

Would be a different matter if playing in comps but then he had no interest in that.

 

[Slab]

We have discussed this topic too, maybe you were still out on the course taking too long and missed it

Must have been in the locker putting on my denim shorts with shirt un-tucked before heading for a over priced meal in the clubhouse

Yeah seen the threads & I meant to say its sad that it happens (wrong scores) rather than its sad that we talk about pace etc

 

[davidy233]

It's happened to me once - Rich American lad who was nice company on the course - I was out in a two ball with him in a comp - his claim of what he'd scored on at least one hole was ridiculous (he'd cut at least five shots off his total on a par 5) - didn't say anything during round except 'are you sure?' but challenged him at the end and told him I couldn't sign his card with that score on the par 5.

He stood by his reckoning of his score so we had to let handicap secretary handle it. His round wouldn't have made any difference to comp as he was well over buffer - wasn't fun but it had to be done - don't normally remember the names of people I've played with only once but nearly 20 years later I can still remember his name.

Led to me being on the handicap committee for the next three years - generally nobody is going to cheat in front of the guy who gets to decide if they have sinned.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Must have been in the locker putting on my denim shorts with shirt un-tucked before heading for a over priced meal in the clubhouse

Yeah seen the threads & I meant to say its sad that it happens (wrong scores) rather than its sad that we talk about pace etc

Ah I see, sorry

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If you don't pull him on it, don't complain about it, Simples. A cheat will always cheat until people start outing him

Quite. Just stop - and say to him 'not sure you scored a X - let's go back through it' You don't have to accept what a player says he scores especially as in a comp you are his scorer and in scoring for any player you have a duty of care to him and to the rest the field to get his score correct. And no problem also doing it when not doing a card and casual golf.

It's absolutely OK to do this as we recognise that sometimes honest counting mistakes are made by our FC.

Always good to say in a pointed manner something like 'interesting 5 that' when he says 5 and you know he got a 6. And let him bluster and fluster - and once he had blustered and flustered - you'll then go back through his shots and he'll agree you were right with your 6. You shouldn't have to do that very often for him to get the message.

 

[Dcross92]

I see what you're saying guys but trust me I call him up on his scores at least twice every round and yet still he cares on and does it seems to be no way of getting through. Half the problem is it's only a social game and that i think when he plays with others they are just as bad for it! Not my idea of golf....After all how can you get better if your bad shots don't count for anything.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I see what you're saying guys but trust me I call him up on his scores at least twice every round and yet still he cares on and does it seems to be no way of getting through. Half the problem is it's only a social game and that i think when he plays with others they are just as bad for it! Not my idea of golf....After all how can you get better if your bad shots don't count for anything.

Tell him he it's self-deluding ignoring shots and one heck of a lot harder to know if you are improving.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Quite. Just stop - and say to him 'not sure you scored a X - let's go back through it' You don't have to accept what a player says he scores especially as in a comp you are his scorer and in scoring for any player you have a duty of care to him and to the rest the field to get his score correct. And no problem also doing it when not doing a card and casual golf.

It's absolutely OK to do this as we recognise that sometimes honest counting mistakes are made by our FC.

I totally agree. By silently accepting it you are in essence condoning the cheating. You have to say something and it can be be done in a polite, even jocular way, certainly at the beginning. If he carries on with giving you wrong scores, aka cheating, then you need to be a bit more forceful. It isn't nice but unless you say "that was a 9" when he's claiming a 6 he's never going ot get the message

 

[Canary_Yellow]

I just count through the hole with the person concerned (1 to there, 2 to the bush, 3 drop, 4 to the green and two putts, that kind of thing) - I can't say I've ever played with someone that has intentionally calling a wrong score, but I've had people inadvertently make a mistake. If you count through with them, I can't see how there can be any argument?

 

[North Mimms]

I just count through the hole with the person concerned (1 to there, 2 to the bush, 3 drop, 4 to the green and two putts, that kind of thing) - I can't say I've ever played with someone that has intentionally calling a wrong score, but I've had people inadvertently make a mistake. If you count through with them, I can't see how there can be any argument?

If someone is repeatedly getting their scores wrong, make it clearer by confirming how many shots they have taken to get on green before you start counting was it three or four putts...

 

[Slab]

If someone is repeatedly getting their scores wrong, make it clearer by confirming how many shots they have taken to get on green before you start counting was it three or four putts...

Agree to an extent but must remember there is more than one way to tell someone they're 5 to the green on a par 4

 

[mab]

I took a mulligan playing with Birchy and Dan earlier in the week. They're allowed right?

 

[williamalex1]

It's easy to keep track of someone's scores when their scoring 4/5/ or 6s. When it gets to someone scoring 8/9/10s and even
more , it's quite easy to lose count. not a great problem in Stableford competitions. , but very big problem in stroke play comps.

 

[Foxholer]

Just tell him to stop <expletive>-ing cheating!