Disqualified Penalty Score

[pwhite01]

A friend recently wasn't able to attend a club competition due to illness. Despite informing the club manager of the issue, he found that the following day to be recorded as disqualified and a penalty score (handicap qualifying) had been submitted by the club on his behalf, scoring a triple bogie on every hole.
Can anyone tell me it this is a legitimate reason for a club to submit a card in this way? It seems really odd to be the case... and if desired it could easily lead to a mis-represented higher handicap.?
Thanks.

 

[woofers]

A friend recently wasn't able to attend a club competition due to illness. Despite informing the club manager of the issue, he found that the following day to be recorded as disqualified and a penalty score (handicap qualifying) had been submitted by the club on his behalf, scoring a triple bogie on every hole.
Can anyone tell me it this is a legitimate reason for a club to submit a card in this way? It seems really odd to be the case... and if desired it could easily lead to a mis-represented higher handicap.?
Thanks.

I don’t think so, your friend didn’t start so it’s not comparable to players walking in.
Triple bogies on every hole is not the right way to implement penalty scores, it’s usually CH + CR.
I doubt that the score entered would lead to a misrepresented higher handicap, it would need to become one of the best 8 of 20 to have any effect.
I would suggest asking the club on what basis the penalty score has been applied, and get them to provide the evidence from England Golf Handicap guidance.
There is a guidance note entitled - Hole Not played, Penalty Scores, Abandoned Competitions, FAQs on the England Golf Website under WHS Handicap Committee Resources.

 

[Oldbutwise]

I don’t think so, your friend didn’t start so it’s not comparable to players walking in.
Triple bogies on every hole is not the right way to implement penalty scores, it’s usually CH + CR.
I doubt that the score entered would lead to a misrepresented higher handicap, it would need to become one of the best 8 of 20 to have any effect.
I would suggest asking the club on what basis the penalty score has been applied, and get them to provide the evidence from England Golf Handicap guidance.
There is a guidance note entitled - Hole Not played, Penalty Scores, Abandoned Competitions, FAQs on the England Golf Website under WHS Handicap Committee Resources.

I would say that there has been a lack of communication between the club manager and handicap secretary. Penalty scores are not applied for valid reasons such as illness. Your friend should email the handicap secretary and copy it to the club manager.

Here's the link for your friend to read: Committee Procedures - Penalty Scores

 

[doublebogey7]

I don’t think so, your friend didn’t start so it’s not comparable to players walking in.
Triple bogies on every hole is not the right way to implement penalty scores, it’s usually CH + CR.
I doubt that the score entered would lead to a misrepresented higher handicap, it would need to become one of the best 8 of 20 to have any effect.
I would suggest asking the club on what basis the penalty score has been applied, and get them to provide the evidence from England Golf Handicap guidance.
There is a guidance note entitled - Hole Not played, Penalty Scores, Abandoned Competitions, FAQs on the England Golf Website under WHS Handicap Committee Resources.

Agree with the above, though at some point it could lead to a higher handicap as a score drops off the 20 earlier than it would of done. The club is clearly not following the Rules of Handicapping and I would in the first instance advice the said friend to speak to the committee to understand exactly why this action had been taken. It could be that the course manager did not pass on the message in this case. Though such a penalty score is also not warranted if a playerhas simply not turned up.

 

[Swango1980]

The player didn't play golf, so there is absolutely no reason for any score to go on their handicap record.

Seems an admin error from the Club

 

[wjemather]

A friend recently wasn't able to attend a club competition due to illness. Despite informing the club manager of the issue, he found that the following day to be recorded as disqualified and a penalty score (handicap qualifying) had been submitted by the club on his behalf, scoring a triple bogie on every hole.
Can anyone tell me it this is a legitimate reason for a club to submit a card in this way? It seems really odd to be the case... and if desired it could easily lead to a mis-represented higher handicap.?
Thanks.

No. Whatever has been posted to the player's handicap record must be removed. This situation is covered explicitly in the GB&I guidance on the WHS Rules of Handicapping, G2.1a (2):

 

[pwhite01]

No. Whatever has been posted to the player's handicap record must be removed. This situation is covered explicitly in the GB&I guidance on the WHS Rules of Handicapping, G2.1a (2):

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Thank you WJEMather for this, i think you have nailed it and in line with what i expected. The club likes to throw its weight around with all of its rules and impose on their paying members whenever they can and in my view is complete overreach. It is ironic how they bang on about the legitimacy of correctly registering and submitting WHS qualifying scores, yet are happy to break the rules in what looks to me to be their own vindictive act.
Thanks again to all who responded.

 

[KenL]

Did this get resolved @pwhite01 ?

 

[pwhite01]

Did this get resolved @pwhite01 ?

HI Kent, still awaiting an outcome on this, but will post as soon as i have some feedback.