DIsqualified for leaving the course?

[Chasey]

On Sunday we playing in a stapleford club match and as usual were playing our own team match play completion and we were hit by heavy rain. I had left my waterproof trousers in the car by mistake. The 9th hole path to the 10th hole passes within 100 yards of the place where my car was parked and I asked the opposition team leader if I could collect my waterproofs before we went on to the 10th hole.

He said yes no problem as there was no one close behind us

At this point we were 3 up

I walked to the car, got my trousers put them on there and then, and walked to the 10th T

To my surprise they had teed off and were taking their second shots into the green

I played to catch them up and asked why they had Teed off without me. I felt this put me on a very difficult position of playing 2 shots in a club competition match without any other player supervision?

The playing partner of the person I had asked for permission said I had been disqualified from the club comp for leaving the course by going to reteve my waterproofs from the car park?

Is this correct?

ATB

Chasey

 

[doublebogey7]

As far as I can see you could be penalised for undue delay (Rule 6-7), though the penalty is either 2 shots in stroke play or loss of hole in match play. There is no rule that imposes a penalty for leaving the course.

 

[louise_a]

you can be disqualified for discontinuance play under Rule 6-8, but it states that leaving the course does not in itself constitute discontinuance.

 

[delc]

On Sunday we playing in a stapleford club match and as usual were playing our own team match play completion and we were hit by heavy rain. I had left my waterproof trousers in the car by mistake. The 9th hole path to the 10th hole passes within 100 yards of the place where my car was parked and I asked the opposition team leader if I could collect my waterproofs before we went on to the 10th hole.

He said yes no problem as there was no one close behind us

At this point we were 3 up

I walked to the car, got my trousers put them on there and then, and walked to the 10th T

To my surprise they had teed off and were taking their second shots into the green

I played to catch them up and asked why they had Teed off without me. I felt this put me on a very difficult position of playing 2 shots in a club competition match without any other player supervision?

The playing partner of the person I had asked for permission said I had been disqualified from the club comp for leaving the course by going to reteve my waterproofs from the car park?

Is this correct?

ATB

Chasey

Not really no, as long as you did not unduly delay play. It is a myth that you can be DQ'd for leaving the course, because if it was you wouldn't be able to retrieve a ball from OOB outside the course boundary, or take a comfort break in the clubhouse half way round. Who DQ'd you btw?

 

[Fish]

I think it's very poor of them anyway to allow you to retrieve your waterproofs after you've asked them if it was OK only for them to obviously think, 'hey were 3 down, let's DQ him' :angry:

Did you finish the round with them and if so, did you play the match out and what was the score or did you abandon the match at the 10th green?

If it's not a DQ, which 1 of our rules guru's will 100% confirm, I'd make a song & dance about it and make sure everyone knows what knobs they are and how obviously winning meant that much to them that even after asking permission they attempted to default you, wrongly hopefully and thoroughly embarrass them!

 

[duncan mackie]

Could you firstly clarify exactly what all these 'matches' are?

I suspect from what you have written that you were playing in a club stableford competition in a 4 ball and, as many do, you were playing a friendly pairs match on the way round?

If this is the case, and putting firmly to one side the rules issues of doing this (although they become obvious in the answer!)

1. For your 'match' if the opposition agree that you can do something then that's the end of that ie you asked, they agreed, you did - there is no valid claim they can make. In this instance your partner is still playing the hole, you could only be out of that hole, and if the match score really mattered you are the one who would probably have a valid claim around playing out of turn!

2. For the club competition, you should have played the hole and caught up then raised the matter with the committee before returning the card. In doing so explain the physical circumstances eg could they see your shots at all times etc etc The committee makes its decision not the other players. It's impossible to predict their decision because of the factors involved and the distances indicated ie the rules permit in principle but was it 100yds, how long did it really take etc. Note that if it was me I would have dashed to the car and back - I would definitely not have changed into the waterproofs at the car. For 3 people to have waited a little, teed off and we're already playing their 2nd shots the timing is a little off for 100yds to the car.

Hope this helps and welcome to the forums. Please clarify the matches status.

 

[Chasey]

The rain staid heavy and the match was abandoned due to flooding on the greens when we were 4 up. The club comp is rescheduled for next month

At the turn I had 18 points in the club comp in very strong winds and difficult conditions, so I was in a good position and genaraly score better on the back 9. I am obviously glad the match was abandoned and the issue never went any further, but I still wanted clarification on the rules for the future.

Regardless of their ruling on the leaving the course / undue delay issue, I feel its likely they would have forced me into being Dq'd for playing solo to catch them up.

I agree what they did went far beyond acceptable levels of gamesmanship.

I felt by asking the other players for a recess whilst I fetched my over trousers I had complied with the rule re undue delay. However reading the rules it seems this is only an option during match play and for the comp I may have had to take a penalty? I seem to read it as that I should put my case to committee immediately and they would decide if the delay was undue?

Seems a lot of messing around for a 10min event. I think Ill just get wet if it happened again.

ATB

Chasey

 

[Chasey]

Could you firstly clarify exactly what all these 'matches' are?

I suspect from what you have written that you were playing in a club stableford competition in a 4 ball and, as many do, you were playing a friendly pairs match on the way round?

If this is the case, and putting firmly to one side the rules issues of doing this (although they become obvious in the answer!)

1. For your 'match' if the opposition agree that you can do something then that's the end of that ie you asked, they agreed, you did - there is no valid claim they can make. In this instance your partner is still playing the hole, you could only be out of that hole, and if the match score really mattered you are the one who would probably have a valid claim around playing out of turn!

2. For the club competition, you should have played the hole and caught up then raised the matter with the committee before returning the card. In doing so explain the physical circumstances eg could they see your shots at all times etc etc The committee makes its decision not the other players. It's impossible to predict their decision because of the factors involved and the distances indicated ie the rules permit in principle but was it 100yds, how long did it really take etc. Note that if it was me I would have dashed to the car and back - I would definitely not have changed into the waterproofs at the car. For 3 people to have waited a little, teed off and we're already playing their 2nd shots the timing is a little off for 100yds to the car.

Hope this helps and welcome to the forums. Please clarify the matches status.

Spot on and thanks for the reply

They cant have waited at all. It realy was a 200 yard dash + the time it took to pull on a set of overtrousers.

 

[Region3]

Without putting too fine a point on it, stuff the rules.

If someone wants to force me to choose between being DQ'd from the comp (even if that IS the correct ruling) or getting drenched for 2 hours, they can crack on and I'll play on my own behind them with my waterproofs on.

It's supposed to be a hobby.

If things like this were strictly upheld up and down the country every week, the women that could hold their bladder the best would win all the comps.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Probably like Region 3, some of these threads make me despair. What sort of people out there get off on tricks like this? I'm grateful I have never come across such devious behaviour on a course. I certainly wouldn't want to be playing any golf with those people again and I'd make it clear to them as well.

 

[fundy]

Without putting too fine a point on it, stuff the rules.

If someone wants to force me to choose between being DQ'd from the comp (even if that IS the correct ruling) or getting drenched for 2 hours, they can crack on and I'll play on my own behind them with my waterproofs on.

It's supposed to be a hobby.

If things like this were strictly upheld up and down the country every week, the women that could hold their bladder the best would win all the comps.

Saves me typing This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[mikejohnchapman]

Like others I find the thread a bit depressing if people are trying to pull stunts like this.

If someone needs to take a toilet break after 9 holes and returns to the clubhouse to do so would they have said the same thing?

I have certainly played at courses with a halfway house where people have spent 5+ minutes eating / drinking a snack - again DQ'd for eating a sausage sandwich? (most comps wouldn't finish around Sunningdale)

There a pedants in all walks of life but trying to do this in the circumstances just deserves your (and our) contempt.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Probably like Region 3, some of these threads make me despair. What sort of people out there get off on tricks like this? I'm grateful I have never come across such devious behaviour on a course. I certainly wouldn't want to be playing any golf with those people again and I'd make it clear to them as well.

...unless that is - the group behind arrived on the tee with OPs group waiting for him, and when they explained the situation the other group told them that OP was disqualified for leaving the course so they might as well tee off without him

 

[hovis]

how much would you want to play with them again!!!!

blimey, my group had to let 2 groups through on the 10th whilst i went to the bathroom (dodgy curry)

 

[User62651]

Probably like Region 3, some of these threads make me despair. What sort of people out there get off on tricks like this? I'm grateful I have never come across such devious behaviour on a course. I certainly wouldn't want to be playing any golf with those people again and I'd make it clear to them as well.

This is how the post made me feel too, the truly bad side of golf and of people coming to the fore.

Trouble is throwing a wobbler or making a fuss doesn't get you anywhere at golf clubs, just rise above it and ignore it. Holding grudges etc isn't good for you, just accept you are a better person than they are. Hoping you slaughter them on the rematch.

 

[rulefan]

The playing partner of the person I had asked for permission said I had been disqualified from the club comp for leaving the course by going to reteve my waterproofs from the car park?

Is this correct?

ATB

Chasey

1) Who actually said you were DQd?

2) Were you playing a match against the pair you were playing with and were all of you playing in the same stableford competition at the same time?

 

[Norrin Radd]

when do they get out of hospital.

 

[KenL]

This story is ridiculous. Unless they can show you the rule I would carry on regardless.

 

[KenL]

On a separate point. I thought that you were not allowed to play a stroke play comp and a match play tie at the same time?

 

[fundy]

...unless that is - the group behind arrived on the tee with OPs group waiting for him, and when they explained the situation the other group told them that OP was disqualified for leaving the course so they might as well tee off without him

then id have told the other group that it wasnt their place to DQ him and to play on