Did Tiger do it again.....?

[DAVEYBOY]

Did Tiger do it again?

Yes he did he won another tournament with a world class field and made Sergio Garcia look like a tit along the way. He also did all of this with a few bad shots of his own thrown in too.

That was the question wasnt it? This surely can't be another thread suggesting that Tiger cheated can it???

He's really getting to the people who dislike him this year isn't he :rofl:

 

[Tommo21]

Did Tiger do it again?

Yes he did he won another tournament with a world class field and made Sergio Garcia look like a tit along the way. He also did all of this with a few bad shots of his own thrown in too.

That was the question wasnt it? This surely can't be another thread suggesting that Tiger cheated can it???

He's really getting to the people who dislike him this year isn't he :rofl:

Yes he cheated......Tiger hater or not, the drop was outrageous, totally outrageous. He was almost 90 degrees to where the ball went in and the ball was a fair margin in from the edge, that’s some hook. I play water hazards for 40 years and as soon as you know the ball is in trouble you try to establish the cross over point from the tee to get a point of reference, even when it’s in flight. None of that happened, it’s basic stuff and even giving him the benefit of the doubt his drop had to be another 70 to 100 yards further back or the ball took a sharp left at the bunker. Farcical.

 

[Colin L]

Don't you think, just as the remotest possibility, that if the drop was so totally outrageous, that might conceivably have been noticed and remarked on by those who were actually there? Obviously you must have had a better view of what happened than they did.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Just an observation but the video looks quite damning.... In football we pour over video replays of incidents and nobody ever says "the ref was actually there so he knows best"; why is this different?

Despite that, I agree that if you discuss where to drop with your playing partner and concur on a point then that should be the end of it.

 

[Tommo21]

Don't you think, just as the remotest possibility, that if the drop was so totally outrageous, that might conceivably have been noticed and remarked on by those who were actually there? Obviously you must have had a better view of what happened than they did.

They did have a better view................and they screwed up, big time. Did you/anyone see the ball go sharp left before it went into the water. I can only think Tiger has some intimidating presence these days.

 

[User20205]

They did have a better view................and they screwed up, big time. Did you/anyone see the ball go sharp left before it went into the water. I can only think Tiger has some intimidating presence these days.

that could be they key. A few have changed their story post event also. It's like a golfing mafia

 

[Colin L]

They did have a better view................and they screwed up, big time. Did you/anyone see the ball go sharp left before it went into the water. I can only think Tiger has some intimidating presence these days.

So those who were there had a better view, but you know they screwed up because you, who had no view at all, know what the flight of the ball was.

I give up.

 

[User20205]

So those who were there had a better view, but you know they screwed up because you, who had no view at all, know what the flight of the ball was.

I give up.

the youtube clip at the start of the thread is pretty definitive. The best view was that of the TV pundits

 

[Bomber69]

Well I am going with "The Tiger Haters" here and just like the Masters he took an unfair advantage and should have been punished.

How long will this guy be allowed to breach rules and get away with it....

 

[User20205]

Well I am going with "The Tiger Haters" here and just like the Masters he took an unfair advantage and should have been punished.

How long will this guy be allowed to breach rules and get away with it....

:thup:

not haters, just don't believe the hype

 

[Crow]

I think we on GM are far better placed to comment than those who were there as we're all experts on ball flight laws.

It was a dodgy drop!

 

[Bomber69]

:thup:

not haters, just don't believe the hype

Sorry I was just going with the flow seems that anybody who says anything bad about him or his actions are classed as "Tiger Haters" but I guess they might not like their Hero to be questioned, get a life you "Tiger Lovers"

 

[Imurg]

This wasn't started as a thread specifically against Tiger - as my MIL from North Yorkshire puts it I'm "neither nowt nor summat" when it comes to Tiger.
The fact is, and the Tiger Fan Club have got to realise, that because he is who he is, these things are going to come up for scrutiny.
If Wittenberg had been in Tiger's position the cameras and commentators wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
But because Tiger possibly took a wrong drop it's there for all to see.
That's not "Hating" that's debate.
If those that like Tiger can't take a bit of criticismof their man when there is a possiblility that something wasn't right then they're blinkered.


I'm not saying for sure one way or the other that the drop was incorrect - what I am saying is that it looks suspect. Tiger needs to realise that after the Masters fiasco he is under even more scrutiny and has to be seen to be absolutely on the ball.
Let's face it, Tiger has form - 2 officially dodgy drops this year alone....
As it stands, no rule was breached as the event has closed.
But that doesn't mean that discussion can't take place about an incident - let's face it the "Nani" incident rumbled on for days on a Golf Forum........

 

[Bomber69]

This wasn't started as a thread specifically against Tiger - as my MIL from North Yorkshire puts it I'm "neither nowt nor summat" when it comes to Tiger.
The fact is, and the Tiger Fan Club have got to realise, that because he is who he is, these things are going to come up for scrutiny.
If Wittenberg had been in Tiger's position the cameras and commentators wouldn't have batted an eyelid.
But because Tiger possibly took a wrong drop it's there for all to see.
That's not "Hating" that's debate.
If those that like Tiger can't take a bit of criticismof their man when there is a possiblility that something wasn't right then they're blinkered.


I'm not saying for sure one way or the other that the drop was incorrect - what I am saying is that it looks suspect. Tiger needs to realise that after the Masters fiasco he is under even more scrutiny and has to be seen to be absolutely on the ball.
Let's face it, Tiger has form - 2 officially dodgy drops this year alone....
As it stands, no rule was breached as the event has closed.
But that doesn't mean that discussion can't take place about an incident - let's face it the "Nani" incident rumbled on for days on a Golf Forum........

Well said that man:thup:

 

[Ethan]

The TV pundits don't hate Tiger, some of them, and their bosses for sure, love him, because he is the biggest factor in their ratings. It is pretty clear that they were convinced he would have to drop at the tee rather than up the fairway. Elsewhere, someone posted data for the 7 or 8 players who hit into that water. All of them dropped at the end of the tee, except Tiger.

As for Casey Wittenberg's testimony, in the first place he isn't going to be the guy who drops Tiger (literally) in trouble, and secondly, although he could see the direction the ball headed, he can't possibly know where it curved in the air and whether it passed the hazard post or curved off sooner.

The overhead TV pictures are not perfectly in line, but they give a fair idea. There is a limit to the extent that angles can distort. In my opinion, for what it is worth, which is exactly nothing, it was a bad drop. If that had been Jack Nicklaus at his peak, I don't think he would have dropped in the same place as Tiger.

But the rule says that the player and their playing partner, who is acting on behalf of the field, decide, so that is the end of it.

 

[Bomber69]

The TV pundits don't hate Tiger, some of them, and their bosses for sure, love him, because he is the biggest factor in their ratings. It is pretty clear that they were convinced he would have to drop at the tee rather than up the fairway. Elsewhere, someone posted data for the 7 or 8 players who hit into that water. All of them dropped at the end of the tee, except Tiger.

As for Casey Wittenberg's testimony, in the first place he isn't going to be the guy who drops Tiger (literally) in trouble, and secondly, although he could see the direction the ball headed, he can't possibly know where it curved in the air and whether it passed the hazard post or curved off sooner.

The overhead TV pictures are not perfectly in line, but they give a fair idea. There is a limit to the extent that angles can distort. In my opinion, for what it is worth, which is exactly nothing, it was a bad drop. If that had been Jack Nicklaus at his peak, I don't think he would have dropped in the same place as Tiger.

But the rule says that the player and their playing partner, who is acting on behalf of the field, decide, so that is the end of it.

Yeh till the next time, just wished it was Garcia that was out with him as I feel Garcia would not have let Tiger intimidate him as to where Tiger wanted to take the drop. Win at any cost seems to be the new motto for Tiger.

 

[BTatHome]

Why is it being said that Tiger intimidated anyone ? From what I have read today (have been away so didn't read anything before then) there is nothing to say anything of the sort. Seems very disparaging to say that Wittenberg was intimidated when that appears to have been not the case. He has even been asked again this week about it, and says it no different, or is now being said that Wittenberg is now a liar ?

 

[rulefan]

I would still take Howard Clark's, on the spot, behind the ball opinion over all the TV and armchair pundits. Particularly when supported by another player and two caddies, also on the spot.

2D TV does not sort out parallax.

 

[Region3]

I think trying to judge where the ball crossed the margin of the hazard from that camera angle is like trying to determine if a football 5' off the ground is over the line or not from a camera 100' in the air over the centre circle.

If it can do it from any old recording, it would be interesting to see what Hawkeye (no, not the guy from M*A*S*H) made of it.

 

[Alex1975]

What a treat it was to watch Tiger crush the golf course and all the people playing on it, I really enjoyed it!