Captainron
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She’s a woeful public speaker. If Labour need her as a mouthpiece then they must be struggling.
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bluewolf
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I'd agree with that completely mate. She struggles to formulate quick answers and is too obvious when attempting to deflect. She is now a liability on the front bench and is too easy to attack (as proven quite effectively on this thread).
Hacker Khan
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What he said.
Tashyboy
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Just had a quick read on Wikipedia. Her comments throughout her political
Career endorse my thoughts on her.
Career endorse my thoughts on her.
I stated on page 1 of this thread that I thought she was inept and I stand by that 100%. She is clearly academically bright, she may well be a very good constituency MP, but as a Shadow Minister she is absolutely at the bottom of the pile. The evidence is plain to see nigh on every time she opens her mouth. She has a long history of ill thought out comments and now she is put up to scrutiny, has to be right on top of her game, she is nowhere near good enough. She can not grasp facts, she can not think on her feet, she can not put together a coherent argument. Anyone thinking otherwise needs to watch any one of the many interviews she has done in the last 12 months.
The are other people equally out of their depth at the moment but not as high profile as Shadow Home Sec.
The are other people equally out of their depth at the moment but not as high profile as Shadow Home Sec.
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Whilst I'd be inclined to agree with that summation, if DA is bad for Labour, what does that make PM May for Conservatives? Equally as poor at thinking on her feet, very stiff when reading speeches in public too, avoids debates etc because she knows it's a weakness. Does the Maybot instead.
In terms of who does speak well under pressure I'd have to say Michael Gove is far and away most capable of ministers or shadow ministers. He seems to actually enjoy being grilled by Marr or Peston or whomever and always handles it well and never gets ruffled. Still slippery though.
Whilst I'd be inclined to agree with that summation, if DA is bad for Labour, what does that make PM May for Conservatives? Equally as poor at thinking on her feet, very stiff when reading speeches in public too, avoids debates etc because she knows it's a weakness. Does the Maybot instead.
In terms of who does speak well under pressure I'd have to say Michael Gove is far and away most capable of ministers or shadow ministers. He seems to actually enjoy being grilled by Marr or Peston or whomever and always handles it well and never gets ruffled. Still slippery though.
I don't agree with many of his policies but John McDonnell for Labour, Shadow Chancellor, is very good in interviews, handles questions well etc. The best ones have conviction in what they are saying, they don't have to think about what they are supposed to say, what they have been told to say.
I should add, I agree with your comments on Gove. Even his redemption / comeback was well handled when he fessed up to stabbing Boris. He is an operator.
Hacker Khan
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What about our foreign secretary?
Yup, he would qualify. Apologies, for the purposes of this thread I meant that sentence to be related to Labour politicians.
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What about our foreign secretary?
Has his own thread....has been running for longer.
Hacker Khan
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To be honest I expect quite a lot of them are out of their depth as realistically they are moved around roles very quickly with no where near enough time to get a full grasp on the role and its challenges. They just rely on good support, good luck in that a scandal does not blow up when they are there and the ability to bluff their way through it.
Hacker Khan
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The post asked if anyone else with power was similarly our of their depth, I gave an answer. The fact that the answer has been mentioned in another thread should not exclude that person from being the answer to the question in this thread.
As already mentioned by many, you could merge a lot of threads and summarise 1000s of posts on one page as they are all saying much the same thing. But that would be a bit dull and not probably good for the hit rate GM needs to sell advertising space on the site.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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The think with McDonnell is that he speaks authentically - you can believe fully that what he says he actually believes in. I just don't get that much of the time with Corbyn and certainly not with Abbott. Abbott especially often does not sound authentic when she speaks - even when she is speaking coherently and logically...
What to make of Gove's eulogy on Rudd I am not sure
I’m so sad about Amber’s departure from government - she was a huge asset - brave, principled, thoughtful, humane, considerate and always thinking of the impact of policy on the vulnerable - I hope Amber will be back soon - we need her
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I agree. McDonnell is authentic
He really is that much of a (insert really rude word here!)
He really is that much of a (insert really rude word here!)
Abbott did a very good piece on mental health when she was Shadow Health Sec in 2012. She is capable of some very good stuff, just doesn't seem like she's on top of her brief in the last year.
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I honestly could not support Labour in its present format with Corbyn and DA at the top table. However with John McDonnell as leader, if he were to sort out Labour I think they would be serious government contenders.
drdel
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But Labour's 'London' inner circle has strangle hold on the party and its strangling itself quite successfully - to the detriment of our political system. DA is there because she's one of the 'in' crowd rather than by merit: IMO.
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Is that the same McDonnell who has a plaque to the Ira in his office and said they should be honoured ! - he can rot his Corbyn
Tashyboy
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Having a read through Wikipedia re her career in politics, it seems she got her break in office due to multiple resignations by other MPs in the shadow cabinet. Now am all for stepping up to the plate and taking an opportunity when it arises. But it begs the question why she was not in a decent shadow office job in the first place, especially with the years she had as an MP.
Did certain people within the Labour Party already know she was thickusdickus.
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LOL! Proper good giggle at that !
