Developing my own swing... Knowledge is power!

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Having taken the game up seriously in march I have found the only thing I struggle to do is get mid and long irons up in the air.

After 6 lessons over 8 months I feel I now have a half decent stance grip and swing, they all feel very comfortable. My short game and putting has improved exponentially with a few lessons on that as well as one on the course.

I decided the next best thing was to study the swing, read up on the theory and try and apply this to my current swing. I struggled to find anything until I saw a video on the "stack and tilt" swing. I saw what the two gentlemen did and I thought I could do something similar!

I started watching a few pros swings, I read up on the theory of the stack and tilt and how it works.

I then looked at my own swing and found I swing the short irons and wedges very well, along with the driver.

When it comes to my wood and my long irons I lean towards the target and deloft the club by throwing my weight and body at it.

"This is not right!" I thougth, how can one do such a thing with so little loft to work with. I know why I did it, to 'hit down on the ball' and force it up the club face to get spin, as well as to stop me thinning the ball... the result was a flat low flight with no backspin and little control.

I then found I did it to a lesser degree the shorter the club got (except the driver) and the increase in the loft of the club made the delofting have less of an impact.

My driver is the odd one out, I swing that very well and do not throw myself through it but finish the swing very well.

I started to take what I thought I needed from my research and began to put together a swing in my head, all the elements of what I need... In other words, my swing! (quite a lot of stack and tilt theory there, from what I could get off youtube an the rest of the net). I watched a few videos of the pros and saw how they came through the ball, what their shoulders and head did and how they turned. I saw my faults instantly!

In conclusion after a few hours of swinging in every spare moment without a club I finally went to the range.

I was shocked, the ball rose gracefully, higher that any of my current short irons and landed gracefully with a slight touch of draw. Into quite a strong wind with a 6 iron (with half decent range balls) and a VERY high relative ball flight I got about 130 yards! Not bad IMO! My old swing rolled out the same distance but at about half the height. To my big surprise I did not thin a single ball in the entire session.

I just cannot wait to build on this, I think my pro has been teaching me the basics of stack and tilt in the lessons as everything I have applied has been what he has been telling me to do, I just did not know enough about how to get to the end result (one step at a time and then forgetting all the rest of the advice from the lesson syndrome).

The height is just leaving me in awe, never have I hit it so well, so strong and the way it rises up and draws over blows me away. You can actually see the backspin making the ball rise up! (exaggerated by the stong wind into my face) The best thing is I can do it 4 out of 5 swings after just 1 session on the range. I cannot wait to get out on the course.

Really it was just my poor body movement but the message to anyone is do not be afraid of knowledge and change!

I am still in shock... I really do not know what else to say... except I am going to continue my lessons with my pro!!!!
 

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Just a guy at my local course, I have noticed that he is not teaching me "old style" but I do not know if he is activly teaching something like stack and tilt.

I don't really want to label my swing really, I just want to swing the best I can but blimey whatever my pro is doing he is doing it right!
 

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My favourite swing at the moment has to be Martin Kaymer as he's pretty much the best player in the world. You won't go far wrong if you have the ability to mimick his swing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY09j8mWZAk it's not stack and tilt but (in my opinion) it's close to something that Sean Foley will probably be teaching to Tiger.
 

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Great, thanks for the tip.

I believe in my pro and I hope along with my own interpretation of his information along with my own research and experimentation I can build a solid swing.

All winter long to do it! I believe the future of golf is in new ideas, as more becomes known about biomechanincs and sports science coaches will teach new and better techniques.

Off to the range now to keep practising my new swing! The amalgam of my pros advice with my own understandings... lets hope it works!
 

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If you are having difficulty with your long irons it's because you need to angle your left hip upwards through impact, as it turns behind you and your left leg straightens. This will shallow out the arc of the swing and put a tad more loft back on the clubface.

As you might have guessed from my forum sig I don't have any issues with stack and tilt and I think you are wise for looking into different swings, however you have to be able to recognise what is wheat and what is chaff.
 

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I believe in my pro and I hope along with my own interpretation of his information along with my own research and experimentation I can build a solid swing.

All winter long to do it! I believe the future of golf is in new ideas, as more becomes known about biomechanincs and sports science coaches will teach new and better techniques.

Off to the range now to keep practising my new swing! The amalgam of my pros advice with my own understandings... lets hope it works!

OK. :D :D

Good luck.
 

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however you have to be able to recognise what is wheat and what is chaff.

That is the tough part but as a scientist I have no issues with combining theory with experimental results!

I really like your thoughts on my hip, they are exactly what I am concluding from my observations. I have approached my swing in a very scientific way, there has been some contradictions along the way but I have learnt from those any my misinterpretations.

One thing I will not stop doing is having lessons, I believe my pro and I are reading from the same hymn sheet, I would never do something I do not believe he would like to see me doing.

Even writing this out on here has been a good lesson for me, to get my thoughts on what I am doing into writing has helped me better understand it, I may have contradicted myself from parts of my first post but this is only as things dawn on me.

I still believe this swing is my own, not all my creation, very much the one build with help from my pro and my research.

Even if it just my interpretation of a golf swing.
 

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I'll take a line from your post and change it to fit my own findings...


I have approached my swing in a very GEOMETRIC way,

For example... I concluded that I can't swing a club on a 45° plane if my shoulders turn flat. I can't hit with a descending blow if I am angling my spine to the right.
 

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I'll take a line from your post and change it to fit my own findings...


I have approached my swing in a very GEOMETRIC way,

For example... I concluded that I can't swing a club on a 45° plane if my shoulders turn flat. I can't hit with a descending blow if I am angling my spine to the right.

Great translation! It is very clear you know a lot about how to swing a golf club compared to me!

Things worked well at the range, very consistant and very nice with my 5 wood and 5 iron, about 180 with the 5 iron and about 220 with the 5 wood, both nice high flights too (much better balls at this flood lit range).

I must rememeber this is the range and not the course, I will work on bridging the gap tomorrow.

Anyway I think its time to wrap this thread up, I see it was really a good way for me to work through my thoughts and get some clarification from the likes of JustOne. I do not want to bore anyone else with my waffle on this subject.

I might one day soon post up a swing to see what you all think and what you can see that needs improvement.

Thanks again JustOne :D
 

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ScienceBoy. I hope you don't mind me asking, but...

are you a student (of science) or an 80 y.o. Ph.D or something else?

I'm intrigued by your approach. :)

How long have you been playing?
 
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