CSS... doesnt make sense!

[Imurg]

While i mentioned 36 hours as an outer limit, 1-3 hours after finishing is much more what should happen.

I find it ridiculous that another comp, albeit it a 'Social' one, can start before a qualifying one has been finalised! Very bad planning if it's because the only guy that can finalise it is elsewhere for the Bank Holiday!
This, potentially, could happen for every Comp I play. They are all Roll-up comps and the cards are not put throught the computer until the following day - 2 years ago a Matchplay was delayed by half an hour because there was a possibility of a cut for one of the players and cards hadn't been put through.




And without the CSS adjustment, I'm absolutely certain that many more folk would withdraw if the weather looks adverse!

Proving that we're almost all much too precious about our handicaps. We should all be "doing a RickG" - playing as many as possible and let your play determine your handicap.

:mmm:

 

[MashieNiblick]

Ok, Probably should have phrased that a bit better. What I meant was, at my course, where SSS = par, if I shoot 5 under my h'cap I should get cut 1 shot. Why should I get cut more if loads of others miss the buffer or less if loads shoot better than buffer.

Why can't I just be cut 1 shot and everyone else cut or increased accordingly against SSS. Why do we need the extra variable? It really really doesn't make sense to me.

But as I and others have said it's not just about what's happening at your course.

Let's say for agruments sake I and half the field, have knocked it round my place in 1 under SSS, on a flat calm day, with soft greens, easy pins and the tees moved up. I finished 24th.

Meanwhile 200 miles away you've played the game of your life in a 30 mile an hour wind, off the tombstones, with fast greens, and pins in nightmare positions, to shoot 3 over SSS and finish 3rd.

I get cut .2, you go up .1. That is arguably just as unfair.

With CSS adjustments it gives the system a chance to level the palying field to some extent and in fact you might even get a cut when I don't, which might actually be a fairer reflection of what our golf deserved.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

But as I and others have said it's not just about what's happening at your course.

Let's say for agruments sake I and half the field, have knocked it round my place in 1 under SSS, on a flat calm day, with soft greens, easy pins and the tees moved up. I finished 24th.

Meanwhile 200 miles away you've played the game of your life in a 30 mile an hour wind, off the tombstones, with fast greens, and pins in nightmare positions, to shoot 3 over SSS and finish 3rd.

I get cut .2, you go up .1. That is arguably just as unfair.

With CSS adjustments it gives the system a chance to level the palying field to some extent and in fact you might even get a cut when I don't, which might actually be a fairer reflection of what our golf deserved.

But that of course assumes that in the same conditions at a club down the road from yours that CSS works out the same as at your club, which of course there is no guarantee it would, because it is purely based on the random, inconsistent returns of the players at a specific club. It also assumes that in perfect conditions That CSS will always remain the same or go down which it won't. there have been at least two occasions when CSS has gone up 1 at our place when comps have been played on perfect sunny days with no wind. CSS can't possibly level the playing field amongst golfers at different clubs in different parts of the country, it just can't, the randomness and inconsistency of the club golfer will see to that.

 

[MashieNiblick]

But I don't think it is "random". It is based on a fixed percentage of players' actual scores. The system relies on the logic that the scores tell you how difficult the course actually was rather how difficult you thought it was. The randomness of each individual player's performance is evened out by the fact that the CSS is based on a large number of scores.

As for whether the club is 200 or 2 miles away doesn't matter. I just threw that in to cover the weather but there are any number of other reasons why one course might be playing more difficult than another, even a nearby one.

Anyway it's what we have. As I say I am luke warm about it. I can see the merit of it and I win as much as I lose by it so it isn't such a big deal, but equally it wouldn't bother me if it wasn't in place.

 

[Imurg]

Why is it deemed that a course is playing easy just because enough people have put good scores in?
Why is it deemed that a course is playing difficult just because enough people have a shocker.

A course could be playing difficult - damp fairways, wind and rain - but good scores come in because people are playing well.

Conversely on an calm day with penty of roll, easy pins and receptive greens, plenty of bad scores come in because people are playing badly.

Which weather is more conducive to good scores? Obviously the latter but that day more poor scores than good came in. Go figure! (sorry Bob)

Our scores are much more to do with how well or not we play, how well we hit the ball, chip'n'putt etc rahter than the condition of the course or the weather we face.
If you're playing well, you'll play well regardless of conditions...

It's a "no answer" topic though - CSS is here until far greater minds than ours dictate otherwise
We'll just have to put up with it....