Count back

[JohnnyDee]

Reading the count back thread on the rules forum got me mulling over a pet niggle of mine.

When I started playing club golf I never knew about count back until I was edged out of a competition win very early on in my career. I remember being pretty miffed by this and immediately took against the practice although understood, when explained, why it was necessary.

Since that time I have both suffered and benefitted at the hands of this method of deadlock breaking, and whether it's a win or a runner up decision I always feel uneasy about it. As if it's unsatisfactory whatever the outcome.

Are there any alternative methods to sort out ties (without sudden death playoffs or decider rounds etc.) that anyone knows of, or does count back go back to the dawn of time.

Just curious really.

 

[SVB]

I've got through a KO round of the toss of a coin when we ran out of light. That really is an unsatisfactory feeling all round but is another method I suppose!

 

[DCB]

We have certain strokeplay competitions, three of our major comps, where an eighteen hole strokeplay play-off round is required if the comp ends in a tie.

NNo problem with countback for normal comps, it's stated in the club comp rules, so, you take your chance.

 

[Hobbit]

*fight, fight* Can I suggest that whoever has the lowest gross wins... a bit different, and radical

*awaits the usual, "it's only coz you're a low-ish handicapper" rant*

Actually, that's not my intention at all. I just feel that rather than have an artificial calculation in these circumstances, why not just reward whoever played the best (real) golf...

 

[fundy]

I always thought the sensible option would be to go to actual handicaps and use the 0.1s, would get rid of 90% of the ties anyway

 

[HawkeyeMS]

*fight, fight* Can I suggest that whoever has the lowest gross wins... a bit different, and radical

*awaits the usual, "it's only coz you're a low-ish handicapper" rant*

Actually, that's not my intention at all. I just feel that rather than have an artificial calculation in these circumstances, why not just reward whoever played the best (real) golf...

The player who plays the best golf being rewarded? Now there's a damn good idea, can't see it catching on though.

At the end of the day, any method of breaking a tie that doesn't actually relate to playing golf is just the luck of the draw, countback is as good as any method.

 

[woody69]

*fight, fight* Can I suggest that whoever has the lowest gross wins... a bit different, and radical

*awaits the usual, "it's only coz you're a low-ish handicapper" rant*

Actually, that's not my intention at all. I just feel that rather than have an artificial calculation in these circumstances, why not just reward whoever played the best (real) golf...

Why is using countback to determine a winner anymore artificial that applying handicaps in the first place? If you want to play in a comp where the person who scored the lowest gross score wins, you can enter a scratch comp. If you need to use countback then saying lowest gross wins, means the lower (and ultimately) better player will always win won't they?

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Why is using countback to determine a winner anymore artificial that applying handicaps in the first place? If you want to play in a comp where the person who scored the lowest gross score wins, you can enter a scratch comp. If you need to use countback then saying lowest gross wins, means the lower (and ultimately) better player will always win won't they?

I honestly can't see a problem with that, but I know I am in the minority.

 

[Imurg]

*fight, fight* Can I suggest that whoever has the lowest gross wins... a bit different, and radical

*awaits the usual, "it's only coz you're a low-ish handicapper" rant*

Actually, that's not my intention at all. I just feel that rather than have an artificial calculation in these circumstances, why not just reward whoever played the best (real) golf...

Wouldnt have helped me either way this week. Lost to CVG on count back because the rank bandit shot a +2 22 points on the back to my +4 17.......pesky 12 handicappers!

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I use to hate countback especially getting mugged by a genial Irishman at the Forest of Arden Then I beat RickG at Camberley by the same method last year so I'm warming to it. I don't really know how you'd settle most club events without it. I can't see too many wanting a play off just to sort out the monthly stableford but you have to be fair to the handicap golfer having a good day and the better plaers too. Another area where you'll never please everyone

 

[pokerjoke]

I use to hate countback especially getting mugged by a genial Irishman at the Forest of Arden Then I beat RickG at Camberley by the same method last year so I'm warming to it. I don't really know how you'd settle most club events without it. I can't see too many wanting a play off just to sort out the monthly stableford but you have to be fair to the handicap golfer having a good day and the better plaers too. Another area where you'll never please everyone

I think we are all aware you beat Rick but to be honest that was the time his aura started to wain.
So to be blunt you can stop mentioning it now its starting to get boring.its sounding like its
your only ever win.

Also you get a lot of shots so its not such a great victory.

 

[mefromhere]

Why not pick a hole number out of a bag at random and whoever had the most points on that hole wins?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think we are all aware you beat Rick but to be honest that was the time his aura started to wain.
So to be blunt you can stop mentioning it now its starting to get boring.its sounding like its
your only ever win.

Also you get a lot of shots so its not such a great victory.

Says the man with the Southwest KoK regional winner 2014 in his signature :thup:

 

[richart]

I'm in favour of a duel. Perhaps on the 18th green, with a baying crowd of members looking on.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm in favour of a duel. Perhaps on the 18th green, with a baying crowd of members looking on.

Between Homer and PJ ? Ill watch that

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Between Homer and PJ ? Ill watch that

I'm a lousy shot... please stand in the front row

 

[richart]

I'm a lousy shot... please stand in the front row

Don't worry you would be safe, PJ would shoot at Phil.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Don't worry you would be safe, PJ would shoot at Phil.

So we've two chances to find the target. Bootiful. This has potential

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Don't worry you would be safe, PJ would shoot at Phil.

I'm safe then

PS - PJ does have a point about going on about a win over 12 months later - it's like coming second and saying its a success - I call second first loser

PPS can't make Blackmoor on the 8th

 

[richart]

PPS can't make Blackmoor on the 8th

What about the 9th ?