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Coronavirus - political views - supporting or otherwise...

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I think the actual phrase is "whatever Nicola Sturgeon thinks is best for her".
 
Mudball said:
Strange is our world... those who helped save us, got Covid in the process are no longer getting the insurance they usually get. I am sure nothing to do with the Govt, but..

https://www.bma.org.uk/advice-and-support/covid-19/your-health/covid-19-your-life-insurance
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Where does it say they aren't getting the cover they require?

Applications are being deferred rather than refused from those who are still suffering from the virus but surely that is to be expected.
 
MetalMickie said:
As over 80% of the UK population lives in England and is, therefore, affected by these changes it would seem that he is being honest.

After all we know that the devolved powers will soon follow suit once the posturing has finished.
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Posturing, what a strange word to use.:unsure:
I think the devolved nations will 'get back to normal' whenever their politicians consider it is safe to do so.
They were better informed at the start of CV, and England was slow to 'follow suit'.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Posturing, what a strange word to use.:unsure:
I think the devolved nations will 'get back to normal' whenever their politicians consider it is safe to do so.
They were better informed at the start of CV, and England was slow to 'follow suit'.
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Your last paragraph has already been proved to be wrong and yes I do see both the First Minister of Scotland and her counterpart in Wales to have been guilty of posturing for political effect throughout the crisis.
 
Beezerk said:
Does anyone think Scotland would have come out of lockdown earlier had they been independent? A colleague posed the question earlier this morning, his thought was they would have done for financial reasons.
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Its interesting question and who knows the answer. I could see it go either way, for sure if Scotland had been independent, financial, media and business pressures would have been far greater to unlock earlier. Business is hurting, late treatment of people in hospitals is hurting(just think of cancer detection/treatment delays, will lead to deaths, which would have been saved with early treatment), jobs are being lost and so on. Furloughing and self employed grants are going to end. The knock on effect is only just starting to be felt. UK locked down far to late, including Scotland and Wales and were far to easy on people returning from abroad at that time. And unlocking to late will lead to issues.

The other aspect I dislike about Wales/Scotland stance is the 5 mile radius.... its far to much 'little Britain/England' outlook for my liking. I feel uncomfortable with the keep the population locked down to an area, just in case of transmission(when numbers are fairly low), bit to much state controlling for me and breeds the wrong kind of outlook in some minds(which should live in the past imho).

Don't get me wrong if an area has an out break, then lock that area and quickly, to try to stop transmission out of that area and enforce it hard etc. A slightly different reason/direction of control, if you can see my point.
 
clubchamp98 said:
I don’t think spending your life savings And years of your life, on a court case Just to get a possible apology Is the best course of action.
If that is what she wants to do fine, it’s her right.
But it won’t bring her dad back ,and imo will do her more harm than good.
But that’s just me.
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I don't disagree with you. But as you state, it's her right to do so - and if the reason for doing so is to seek 'closure'/hold the 'wrongdoers' to account, it's probably her only option.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
They were better informed at the start of CV, and England was slow to 'follow suit'.
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It's a long time since the start of all this, but this seems like a bit of a stretch tbh.
How did this better informedness manifest itself?
Quarantines of arrivals?
Better management of PPE?
Better protection of care homes?
You could be right, but it doesn't chime with my elderley recollection of events. Though maybe pubs shut a couple of days earlier?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
They were better informed at the start of CV, and England was slow to 'follow suit'.
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That's comedy gold. Though happy to be proved wrong with facts.

BTW, I'm not suggesting 'England was better than Scotland' either.

There were big plays early on (from both sides) about all working together. Fragmentation started with relaxing (or not) of restrictions.
 
Moving away from interfamilial disputes...
I'm assuming that a decent and speedy testing process will need to be in place to support the return to a civilised existence.
Having just been tested myself (part of the random screening program), I'm not entirely sure that the current one is fit for purpose.
Despite having a number of GP surgeries and a 'cottage hospital' within walking distance, the test was mailed to me (2 day delay). The registration process was a pita, assembling the kit was a pita. Self administration to tonsils/back of nose is easy to b*****r up. Delay of another day for courier pickup. Still waiting for results 3 days later after pickup.....
There really needs to be local walk-in clinics (including large workplaces) with trained staff and sub 24hr turnaround on results, otherwise, whats the point?
 
Answers to the question 'would a Scottish government of an independent Scotland have dealt with the pandemic differently' are based upon a premis that says that the starting point for that Scottish government would have been the same as it actually was. And actually as much as it might have been - it also might not have been - regardless of what the existing devolved powers enable the Scottish government to do.

As much as an independent Scotland might be a much poorer country than it is today - it might also have been a much wealthier one - one more able to put in place the potentially costly mitigations required to reduce the impact of a pandemic.

I don't think the decision making of a Scottish government of an Indy Scotland can be looked at in isolation and assuming the exact same initial conditions as existed in January 2020.

In fact an Independent Scotland might today be in a very much worse situation in respect of it's coping with the pandemic. However it might also have been a full member of the EU and so getting it's full support - and then being in the single market in a better position to get it's economy going again post-pandemic.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Answers to the question 'would a Scottish government of an independent Scotland have dealt with the pandemic differently' are based upon a premis that says that the starting point for that Scottish government would have been the same as it actually was. And actually as much as it might have been - it also might not have been - regardless of what the existing devolved powers enable the Scottish government to do.

As much as an independent Scotland might be a much poorer country than it is today - it might also have been a much wealthier one - one more able to put in place the potentially costly mitigations required to reduce the impact of a pandemic.

I don't think the decision making of a Scottish government of an Indy Scotland can be looked at in isolation and assuming the exact same initial conditions as existed in January 2020.

In fact an Independent Scotland might today be in a very much worse situation in respect of it's coping with the pandemic. However it might also have been a full member of the EU and so getting it's full support - and then being in the single market in a better position to get it's economy going again post-pandemic.
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ah. The magical EU that fully supported the big outbreaks in Spain and Italy as the countries flared up first - you have to remind us how well this worked?
 
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