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[Swinglowandslow]

I see the Forum Kangaroo Court has convened, decided and judged: no need to wait for any facts and let's shoot anyone whose just might even hint at disaggreement.

I agree that jumping to conclusions is not a good idea, however, in this case, it seems beyond dispute that his wife or him, or both should have isolated at the moment one had got the symptoms. IIRC, we are talking about the first advice on the first lockdown scenario.
That clearly doesn't mean suspected cases travelling.
Why could not he and wife stayed in London home, and sister etc have collected son to look after him?.
If that was a feasible arrangement, then he should not have travelled.
And he clearly did travel.
Therefore the advice was broken.
The details are not going to change that, are they?
If they do, I await to be enlightened

 

[Hobbit]

that looks like deflection to me

Why am I not surprised must be a full moon

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why am I not surprised must be a full moon

Probably got it from the use of a Labour MP to answer me.

Other party politicians are available if needed and your reply would of carried the same weight.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yes, but we are talking Politics here: rules can be interpreted - ask any lawyer.

There's a hair's breadth of difference between the Parties when they are early in an elected term. The Tories have a fat majority for a good few years and no doubt, as Cameron, Tony Blair and Godon Brown, Alex Salmond, and as those before them did, the tactics will be just to ride the media storm until the story falls off the front page.

Best not to get too exercised.

No previous tory PM’s in your list then?

 

[funkycoldmedina]

No previous tory PM’s in your list then?

Erm Cameron lol

 

[drdel]

I agree that jumping to conclusions is not a good idea, however, in this case, it seems beyond dispute that his wife or him, or both should have isolated at the moment one had got the symptoms. IIRC, we are talking about the first advice on the first lockdown scenario.
That clearly doesn't mean suspected cases travelling.
Why could not he and wife stayed in London home, and sister etc have collected son to look after him?.
If that was a feasible arrangement, then he should not have travelled.
And he clearly did travel.
Therefore the advice was broken.
The details are not going to change that, are they?
If they do, I await to be enlightened

Ok I'm a bit between jobs at the moment so I'll bite (a little).

You say "Therefore the advice was broken." Yup but I wonder how many other take advice and decide under their unique circumstances it would not be relevant. Stupid, unwise, or mitigating cirumstances I don't know.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Erm Cameron lol

Well spotted, apologies to drdel.

 

[AmandaJR]

Yes, but we are talking Politics here: rules can be interpreted - ask any lawyer.

There's a hair's breadth of difference between the Parties when they are early in an elected term. The Tories have a fat majority for a good few years and no doubt, as Cameron, Tony Blair and Godon Brown, Alex Salmond, and as those before them did, the tactics will be just to ride the media storm until the story falls off the front page.

Best not to get too exercised.

It doesn't make it right though. Others have gone for similar transgressions so, for consistency, so should he. I want the government to be as above reproach as possible during exceptional times and, allowing this to fall off the front page, is not above reproach.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Absolutely no deflection from me, he goes. But can you also add Stephen Kinnock, Labour MP, to the must go list. The fool travelled to his father's 78th birthday bash and then, even more foolishly, posted photo's of himself there.

No defence of Kinnock but he is not in a position of power or influence to be removed from. He is an mp and hopefully the electorate will remember his actions next election. If they still vote him in then that is their choice.

If he was a minister or shadow minister then I would have expected him to be removed with the others who have broken the guidelines.

Incidentally, thank heavens for Cummings. It's blowing a gale here. No golf, no anything outside. I've already painted and tidied everything inside the house and there is no sport to watch. This is helping to pass a little time before I get motivated to do something.

 

[drdel]

Erm Cameron lol

Don't make posters read the whole post it'll stop the bickering which is half the amusement

 

[Hobbit]

Probably got it from the use of a Labour MP to answer me.

Other party politicians are available if needed and your reply would of carried the same weight.

I agree. Kinnock is one of the very best MP's in my opinion, and certainly someone I'd vote for. But I find it sad that the looney left on here, just as the looney right only talk about political figures from the opposition. Maybe I should have wasted more time saying that but, to be honest, I've just about had my fill of the petty idiots on here taking cheap pot shots.

 

[Hobbit]

No defence of Kinnock but he is not in a position of power or influence to be removed from. He is an mp and hopefully the electorate will remember his actions next election. If they still vote him in then that is their choice.

If he was a minister or shadow minister then I would have expected him to be removed with the others who have broken the guidelines.

Ah, that makes it alright then. No it doesn't!!!!! As far as I'm concerned anyone, of whatever persuasion, who crosses the line should go. Ah, but he's only an MP - pathetic deflection!!!!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I agree. Kinnock is one of the very best MP's in my opinion, and certainly someone I'd vote for. But I find it sad that the looney left on here, just as the looney right only talk about political figures from the opposition. Maybe I should have wasted more time saying that but, to be honest, I've just about had my fill of the petty idiots on here taking cheap pot shots.

As the saying goes, “if you can’t beat em, join em” welcome to the club.

 

[rudebhoy]

No defence of Kinnock but he is not in a position of power or influence to be removed from. He is an mp and hopefully the electorate will remember his actions next election. If they still vote him in then that is their choice.

If he was a minister or shadow minister then I would have expected him to be removed with the others who have broken the guidelines.

Incidentally, thank heavens for Cummings. It's blowing a gale here. No golf, no anything outside. I've already painted and tidied everything inside the house and there is no sport to watch. This is helping to pass a little time before I get motivated to do something.

Like Jenrick?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Don't make posters read the whole post it'll stop the bickering which is half the amusement

Less fun that way.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Ah, that makes it alright then. No it doesn't!!!!! As far as I'm concerned anyone, of whatever persuasion, who crosses the line should go. Ah, but he's only an MP - pathetic deflection!!!!

No it isn't. The people who have resigned or been sacked so far have done so from certain positions. They have not lost their entire jobs, they have lost their positions at the top table where the big decisions are made. They have been moved to the background. Kinnock was never at the top table. If he was then clearly he should have gone, as I have already said.

Edit, apparently he is Shadow Minister for Asia and the Pacific region. As minor a post as you can get but even so Starmer should have removed him from it. Each party should be consistent on this.

 

[rudebhoy]

Gove, Raab and Sunak have all tweeted that Cummings' actions were perfectly acceptable. And so it begins. What a spineless shower.

 

[patricks148]

I agree. Kinnock is one of the very best MP's in my opinion, and certainly someone I'd vote for. But I find it sad that the looney left on here, just as the looney right only talk about political figures from the opposition. Maybe I should have wasted more time saying that but, to be honest, I've just about had my fill of the petty idiots on here taking cheap pot shots.

oosh, couldn't help yourself doing the same though

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Like Jenrick?

Yup. You have to be consistent.

I don't care about the colour of anyone's rosette generally and certainly not on this issue.

 

[rudebhoy]

thought the Labour Party comment was very weak last night compared to the Lib Dems and the SNP.