Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
So that would mean anyone with an infraction would be reduced to commenting on the best rain suit. That is harsh, and speaking as someone with a few infractions I do not second that motion.
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So that would mean anyone with an infraction would be reduced to commenting on the best rain suit. That is harsh, and speaking as someone with a few infractions I do not second that motion.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
And you say not heavy handed?
Some mods do appear to have huge egos now whereas before they were decent posters
Ethan
Money List Winner
It is pretty easy to say that there is over-Modding. I have done so myself in the past.
Things look slightly different when you see PMs with various descriptions of yourself that the sender would not have the Pro V1s to say to your face in a pub, not even north of the border. We do not respond in open fora to those, but sometimes action is needed. It is never taken lightly and there is always discussion before a ban or infraction, and if an infraction is given unnecessarily, it can be reversed after discussion.
The fact is that GM set the rules and we simply do our best to enforce them sensibly. Is that always done perfectly? No, but most of us have day jobs and lives to get on with rather than spending hours pouring over every post that used a certain term, or in sending multiple PMs to investigate something.
If anyone has an issue or thinks there is an inconsistency or unfairness, they can send a PM to any or all Mods and they will get a response. Better to do that than to have a case of handbags with another member.
Things look slightly different when you see PMs with various descriptions of yourself that the sender would not have the Pro V1s to say to your face in a pub, not even north of the border. We do not respond in open fora to those, but sometimes action is needed. It is never taken lightly and there is always discussion before a ban or infraction, and if an infraction is given unnecessarily, it can be reversed after discussion.
The fact is that GM set the rules and we simply do our best to enforce them sensibly. Is that always done perfectly? No, but most of us have day jobs and lives to get on with rather than spending hours pouring over every post that used a certain term, or in sending multiple PMs to investigate something.
If anyone has an issue or thinks there is an inconsistency or unfairness, they can send a PM to any or all Mods and they will get a response. Better to do that than to have a case of handbags with another member.
User20205
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Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
sorry Phil I agree, that sounds terrible
I did comment. But removed it. You see, I can moderate myself sometimes.
I received an infraction for something not much worse than that.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Once again The Forum descends towards oblivion....
Some people are taking this far too seriously - so a thread is locked, so an infraction is handed out, maybe even a ban - in the great scheme of things this is not a big deal.
Yes it may be annoying when a thread gets locked but ususally by the time it is the thread's either a slanging match or it's got boring anyway.
Life's too short to get wound up about this.
I come here to chat - not much more, not much less.
If someone appointed by Mike wants to "change the conversation" then it gets changed.
Big Deal - move on
Think of something else to say
This isn't Real Life Guys - it's a Chat Room!
Another dose of perspective required all round......
Some people are taking this far too seriously - so a thread is locked, so an infraction is handed out, maybe even a ban - in the great scheme of things this is not a big deal.
Yes it may be annoying when a thread gets locked but ususally by the time it is the thread's either a slanging match or it's got boring anyway.
Life's too short to get wound up about this.
I come here to chat - not much more, not much less.
If someone appointed by Mike wants to "change the conversation" then it gets changed.
Big Deal - move on
Think of something else to say
This isn't Real Life Guys - it's a Chat Room!
Another dose of perspective required all round......
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Smiffy, I'm not saying you are suggesting one but if I got it for that general comment it would prove a point.
And for mods that think its was aimed at them individually in particular, you should ask yourself why you think that way. Some mods are very good on here and go about it very well but not all.
AmandaJR
Money List Winner
I think it's a bit chicken and egg - are the mods being heavy handed OR in fact are forum users pushing the limits more often and in some cases almost goading a moderator to respond?
For me, in my time here, I'd say it's the latter and can't believe how threads deteriorate into a slanging match from nothing...
Maybe we all need some sunshine, warmth and decent golf conditions!
For me, in my time here, I'd say it's the latter and can't believe how threads deteriorate into a slanging match from nothing...
Maybe we all need some sunshine, warmth and decent golf conditions!
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Of course it is and the reason we all come back more than anything is the enjoyment of what we read here
BUT
When this enjoyment gets eroded then surely its better to ask why?
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
It is a big deal when you see the Forum you have been a member of for a fair number of years lose members because of over moderating. The forum now is just a pale imitation of what it once was. For somebody with a passion for the forum, thats such a shame.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
And the way to do that is through PM to the Mods or MIkeH not starting threads like "why was my thread removed"
That's how things begin to deteriorate and it spreads to other threads.
Constant reference to someone on Holiday fuels things. Why is he on Holiday? Rule breaking?
There have been great debates and discussions here that haven't needed any Modding at all.
They seem fewer and further between - and if they need to be Modded then Rules must have been broken........
I can't get my head round it.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Smiffy, unfortunately you are contributing to that demise by keeping on and on on threads like this. Guests and new members just so some oldies moaning about the past, so they clear off and go to GolfWRX instead.
Why don't you post about golf? That would help the forum.
The fact is that as these fora get bigger, they need more management. That becomes complex when you have members then challenging every decision and sending links to multiple similar posts since the start of the forum. Also, people tire of fora after a while and sometimes sign off by being disruptive and stirring the pot as they leave. That has happened here.
The Mods get little thanks from members, and this year the GM Mods Masters trip to Augusta is going to be in Business rather than First and not even going to include the final round!*
We do get a lot of abuse, though, some in the fora and some in PMs and whines to MikeH. We mostly don't/can't respond to it as we would like.
* That is a joke if anyone has their SOH switched right off.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Maybe so, but why should you personally PM a mod when someone else's thread gets removed, its a massive vicious circle and mods would have a far harder job than they do now.
I said it months ago, the forum is potentially in danger of having more lurkers than posters and some of the moderating is heavy handed and not needed.
I'm not suggesting a free for all, far from it and realise the negative exposure that GM potentially could get but surely a wind up on a forum between "friends" doesn't need locking or moving.
If it gets close to the bone then yes do it but does it really ever get that close?
One Planer
Global Moderator
Finally a post of common sense. Thank you Hobbit.
I normally read threads such as this, and do not post. I bite my tongue and move on. I think those that know me well enough know I'm pretty mild mannered at the best of times.
Not today.
I'm sorry gentlemen, but this is well and truly pathetic.
Moderators are here to enforce the rules of the forum. Rules set out by GM and it's staff. We don't make the rules.
If it is beyond your ability to post in a polite, civil and adult, I.E grown up mannor, then, quite frankly, don't post.
As for those who say "certain" moderators "Abuse" their powers, I'm sorry but you have absolutely zero idea what goes on on in the back ground.
Posts are not just pulled, there is no, one mod on the moderator panel in overall control. Any decision to pull/ammend/delete a thread is a collective decision taken after private consultation in the moderator section of the forum.
I class myself as one of those "Power hungry" moderators as I contribute to the discussions that result, sometimes, in action being taken. If you would like to discuss this with me further, drop me a PM.
What I will add is that not every thread that gets reported gets actioned. There have been plenty of threads on here in recent memory (Over the last week) that have been reported, discussed, and allowed to run. If they eventually have to become locked or removed as it's decended into a petty and argumementative thread, it is discussed again prior to it being locked.
As Hobbit says. You may not agree with some of the moderator decisions on here, and that is your right. However at least try and understand why a decision has been taken. If you can't understand why, drop one of us a PM and you will receive clarification.
It really is as simple as that. Keep it civil, on topic and in good humor and the thread will run. If you can't do these most basic of things, I suggest you look for another forum.
Edit: I also forgot to mention that non of the moderators here get paid, kick backs or preferential treatment from GM for the work they do. It's done out of our own time. Do you really think we want more work than we already have in our lives!
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G1BB0
Money List Winner
OK, GM host this forum, their name and image are the figurehead
Posts on a manufacturer end up negative and going nowhere, its bad for GM. regardless what individuals think.
Now if you were Overseeing it and saw something degenrating and potentially harming your name would you not then remedy that?
This is the point that needs to come across. Its not about mods being over zealous, individuals overstepping the mark etc etc.
Its about the forum being a benefit to GM and an asset to its brand and image. Not something that becomes a possible rotten egg!
think on that please, personal opinions, past debates aside.
Posts on a manufacturer end up negative and going nowhere, its bad for GM. regardless what individuals think.
Now if you were Overseeing it and saw something degenrating and potentially harming your name would you not then remedy that?
This is the point that needs to come across. Its not about mods being over zealous, individuals overstepping the mark etc etc.
Its about the forum being a benefit to GM and an asset to its brand and image. Not something that becomes a possible rotten egg!
think on that please, personal opinions, past debates aside.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Because I am not playing as much golf now so have nothing really to contribute.
My interest in golf is waning of late...I'm not blaming the forum for that, but my general golfing "apathy" seems to have coincided with the way things have gone on here for the past 6 months or so. A lot of the regular posters don't post anymore. I used to organise loads of meets for the forum. Now? I can't be arsed.
Trying to introduce new ideas I put it to the forum about starting up a "for sale" section for non golf related items. Not for my benefit, but it seemed silly for members to miss out on items from other members that would have just gone on ebay.
The idea was "generally" well received and I was informed that the idea would be given more thought.
About two or three months later I posted, asking if any more thought had been given to the idea. Harmless post, not controversial in any way.
Response? A smart Alec mod just replied "No". No further explanation, or attempt to rekindle the idea. Just a simple "no".
And don't try to justify the response. It was a smart Alec reply. Nothing less. And I can imagine he had a grin on his face when he posted it.
So an attempt to try something different was dismissed out of hand. Why bother?
After reading thro this whole thread I do agree that the Mod's do have their work cut out and as they are human sometimes they will get it wrong, what I can't understand that after reading all the post not once has one of them accepted they have got anything wrong yet most of the members posts on this are saying that they do get it wrong and go in all guns blazing.
Maybe rather than defend and tell folk its "your" way or the highway you should all go to a dark room as discus where you could improve, surely all the members can't be wrong.
I maybe wrong but from where I am sitting it looks this way and your constant defending of your actions will only add fuel to the fire and then we know any member who questions it will get infractions or a holiday.
Maybe rather than defend and tell folk its "your" way or the highway you should all go to a dark room as discus where you could improve, surely all the members can't be wrong.
I maybe wrong but from where I am sitting it looks this way and your constant defending of your actions will only add fuel to the fire and then we know any member who questions it will get infractions or a holiday.
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Hey Gareth, you can take this as a good or a bad thing. But until you posted that explanation, I hadn't even realized that you were a Mod. Some of your colleagues are very easy to spot.
I have no complaints about the moderation on this forum. It is what it is and I have no doubt that it's hard work and not very satisfying. Carry on lads...
I have no complaints about the moderation on this forum. It is what it is and I have no doubt that it's hard work and not very satisfying. Carry on lads...
I agree, the actions of the mods is always 100% defended and justified and at no time have I ever heard or read that "we got that one wrong but we've learnt from it".
I can't see why we can't have a section called "The Bunker". An area where you have to tic a box declaring your over 18 and that you accept their will be controversial discussions within it and possibly bad language etc. Topics from any section that a mod feels is pushing the open public boundaries could be simply moved to that area rather than it being closed or removed.
As this section would not be openly seen by the public it resolves so many issues being spoken about here, which is becoming like an old 33.5rpm record and will not resolve or take us forward.
The forum at times doesn't come across as proactive to resolve some issues, it just throw rules & regs at you and state "that's how it is, like it or find another forum", that's not very inclusive is it, its just dictatorial and inflamatory!
G1BB0
Money List Winner
seriously, take a look in the mirror folks and get off the band wagon.
Keyboard warriors r us on here lately...
cya next week, off to get a life for a few days.
Keyboard warriors r us on here lately...
cya next week, off to get a life for a few days.
