PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Lol
ah , least next time it will be fineIt should have a setting to auto sync to location and then you just select daylight saving or not twice a year
Clock Change
- Thread starter Slab
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ah , least next time it will be fineIt should have a setting to auto sync to location and then you just select daylight saving or not twice a year
jim8flog
Journeyman Pro
Yes it was the autosync box not ticked.Lol
It should have a setting to auto sync to location and then you just select daylight saving or not twice a year
Mudball
Assistant Pro
I find daylight saving pointless.. instead of having an extra hour in the morning, I rather have an extra hour of daylight in the evening.
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Member
Why do the clocks change? BST all year would be much better!
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
No clock change for me, too near the equator I guess, deep winter just means sun rises & sets an hour diff to high summer, so no point changing
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
It's one of them "it's always been done this way so keep forever" situations
I agree with you. BST would work fine
Maybe they just like to annoy parents
Why not adopt the same time as most of the UKās nearest neighbours?
Pre-retirement it was a real pain going into the office for a 7:30am U.K. time online meeting with various European offices. 7:30am meeting meant being in the office well before 7:30am. And it was a real pain wanting to call a European colleague at 4:30pm U.K. time when their office had already closed. Multiply that by countless U.K. businesses - itās inefficient and costs money.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
We did just that from 1968 to 1971.
It created more problems than it solved.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
We have the same thing but with our little girl. She's been sleeping in til 8 instead of 7 since the clocks changed - lovely!
Orikoru
Tour Winner
What problems could it possibly create? And would they still be applicable in 2024?
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
People were late for their tee times
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Interesting.
British Summer Time was renamed British Standard Time (BST) in 1968.
This was regarded as a trial or experiment.
Many views were expressed over these years.
MPs took the views of their constituents on board when a free vote was taken in December 1970. No party took a view as party-policy.
Overwhelming majority to end the experiment.
There have been calls for this to be re-examined to modern needs and issues.
I was living in Wakefield during those years and I can still remember the very long dark mornings going to school.
The further north you went - the longer and darker those morning were. Farmers in Scotland did not welcome it.
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
Found this
The data revealed that approximately 2,500 fewer people were killed and seriously injured during the winters of 1968/69 and 1969/70 compared to the previous two years. This represented a reduction of 11.7 per cent.
However, after 1971, the experiment was wound up and shelved. Yet every year, when the clocks change in the Autumn, we see an increase in the number of road deaths and collisions in the UK.
The daylight savings spike
Last year, according to statistics provided by the Department for Transport, pedestrian deaths as a result of road accidents rose from 36 in October, to 54 in November and 57 in December. The casualty rate for all road users increased from 427 per billion vehicle miles in October, to 479 per billion vehicle miles in November ā we call this the daylight savings spike.
In 2018 a similar pattern emerged, with pedestrian fatalities as a result of road accidents rising from 40 in October, to 56 in November and 70 in December.
RoSPA believes we should maintain permanent British Summer Time to ensure lighter afternoons and evenings, because the road accident rate is higher later in the day. During the 1968-71 experiment, casualties did increase in the morning but the decrease in road accidents in the evening far outweighed this.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
That coincided with the stricter drink-driving laws being introduced. This would have reduced accidents. It was difficult to ascribe the reductions in accidents to which causes.
The difference between morning and evening accidents was what was needed to be analysed.
There was an increase in the proportion of morning accidents, but this might have been because of a reduction in evening drunk driving as well as darker mornings.
But that does not mean that this would happen again. But a mildly dangerous experiment again, what government would choose to take the slightest risk with people's lives?
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I never considered that changing the clocks by one hour would cause more/less road accidents. Is that just because of it being darker?
PJ87
Journeyman Pro
It's ok we have invented safer cars and better lights since then
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Well this is the sort of thing I was thinking, and why I asked if the downsides in 1971 would still apply today. I'd be quite happy to scrap DST.
The argument is generally brought up that it affects those in the north of Scotland so we can't do it. The negative impact on everyone else gets ignored. Time to try it again as lights, reflective clothing etc have moved on so much.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
I've been in Scotland in summer and it was still bright and sunny at 10:30pm! They have it great up there. Moaning gits.
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
Year round BST was voted out by democratically elected parliament in a free vote.
We had another experiment from 1st January 1973 to 31st January 2020.
Time to try it again, maybe? Or at least start the debate? Benefits vs downsides?
Or is it too soon to do so?
If so, when will it be OK to do so?
Perhaps the last 4 years have been the experiment and the debate should be about whether it has worked?
Oh, life's ceaseless quandaries.
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