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Sums it up perfectly Rick 
Climate change "experts" just making it up?
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surefire
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Ever considered becoming UK importer and distributor?
EaseNgrace
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Hmmm, society might change drastically but something will survive, unless of course the fight for habitable areas turns to conflict. Of course a massive reduction in population might be exactly the counter-balance required.
One way or another life will continue. It might not be us but it'll carry on without us.
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Hit the nail on the head with the population issue, and when I mentionned extinction im obviously referring to us and anything 'higher' in the foodchain than algae. Whatever the extent of the extinction, our genes will be long gone.
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Surefire - wouldn't get past the 'importer' stage I'm afraid!! Plus not sure how our traditional pie and mash shops would take it!!
Screwback
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On the subject of climate change and the seas getting deeper. i saw a man down the beach throwing stones in the water and thought to myself hes not helping...
Leftie
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Thank goodness for that. I had a bit of a queezy moment when I saw what it was. "Phantom floater" came to mind
viscount17
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gotta love these though!
I prefer either a dollop of brown sauce or open up the pie and lash in the Lea & Perrins
viscount17
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you have to give us credit - there was the climate, drifting along in its usual idle fashion, evolving into - well, the climate - when along comes this scruffy oik and kicks it up the backside. (we must have accelerated the process by all of what 0.00000000000001% - but then we could be boasting.)
oh the irony! how the gods, nature, the cosmos, whoever must wish they hadn't thrown rocks at the dinosaurs!
ps anyone remember a bloke called Cnut?
surefire
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Careful here, one slip of the finger and you could have the typo from hell!
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birdieman
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Climate change theory is proving beneficial to my industry (forestry) as people seem to think planting lots of trees will offset their carbon footprint as trees, being made largely of cellulose (a carbohydrate), fix atmospheric carbon when they produce wood.
That's ok until you cut them all down again of course!
That's why Scottish Government is determined to have 25% land area in Scotland under trees (currently 18% I think) as it's the easiest way to fix atmospheric carbon.
I remain firmly seated on the fence with the whole thing, just not sure how much is true science and how much is political shenaigans.
Look at the Icelandic volcano, that eruption must have put more carbon into the atmos than a million factories ever could.
Anyway we'll be back in another ice age in 100k years. I did not realise until recently that the earth's elipsis around the sun is stretched by gravitational pull of other planets in our solar system at ceretain times when they line up and that's what causes cooling and ice ages i.e we're pulled further from the sun.
Similarly I'd have thought there must be periods when we're closer to the sun and we heat up. That's been proven by geologists I think.
The rate of warming seems to be the main concern of course, I don't know what can be done, people and nature generally find a way to adapt. If technological progress continues as it has been in the last 200 years then who's to say what we can do in 50 years time to combat warming.
Seems like the Earth is getting too small for humanity.
Interesting posts above, keep em coming, I'm bored and injured!
That's ok until you cut them all down again of course!
That's why Scottish Government is determined to have 25% land area in Scotland under trees (currently 18% I think) as it's the easiest way to fix atmospheric carbon.
I remain firmly seated on the fence with the whole thing, just not sure how much is true science and how much is political shenaigans.
Look at the Icelandic volcano, that eruption must have put more carbon into the atmos than a million factories ever could.
Anyway we'll be back in another ice age in 100k years. I did not realise until recently that the earth's elipsis around the sun is stretched by gravitational pull of other planets in our solar system at ceretain times when they line up and that's what causes cooling and ice ages i.e we're pulled further from the sun.
Similarly I'd have thought there must be periods when we're closer to the sun and we heat up. That's been proven by geologists I think.
The rate of warming seems to be the main concern of course, I don't know what can be done, people and nature generally find a way to adapt. If technological progress continues as it has been in the last 200 years then who's to say what we can do in 50 years time to combat warming.
Seems like the Earth is getting too small for humanity.
Interesting posts above, keep em coming, I'm bored and injured!
madandra
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I know a few Cnut's ....
Is that a deliberate typo ?
JustOne
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'Climate' is not a static phenomenon ergo it is perpetually changing.
'Climate Change' has become the modern euphemism for the ol' 80s classic 'Global Warming'. 'GW', as a theory, is fine. As a reality, it is utter pish.
There is no definitive science to prove either standpoint categorically. On this basis, to formulate world/national policy based on CC as a fact is both disingenuous and dangerous.
But given that you seem to love sweeping, unsubstantiated generalisations about millions of people, I don't suppose this poses you any difficulties does it?
Unless you can categorically prove a case for CC/GW, you are in no position to make such statements about who does/doesn't believe in it (and if it is a fact, then belief ceases to be a factor) and what their motivations for that will be. Or what research they may have done or otherwise.
Try basing your argument on some sound principles next time, rather than arrogantly dictating terms to us. There's a nice chap.
Crikey! There ARE people with brains North of Watford!
Careful ToonArmy else you give Northerners a bad reputation for being smart, I like to think of them as 'thick as pig shi*!
JustOne
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Haven't eaten a cream pie..........
LOL ... you've been looking at the adult stuff on the web again haven't you Pieman!!! You've been warned about that!
JustOne
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Better not fall off it and break another rib!
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Snelly
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I totally agree with Toon Army.
My view on this is fairly simple. The climate of the planet is changing yes, but then again it always has and always will. So what? The world will keep turning, evolution will continue and we will get on with it.
As for the climate change brigade - what a shower of duplicitous, over-opinionated, shouty toss-pots! Haven't Al Gore, the IPCC’s Rajendra Pachuari, NASA’s James Hansen, Michael ‘Hockey Stick’ Mann and the entire crew of hysterical climate loons at the Met Office and Uni of East Anglia not been caught telling enough complete fibs on the subject for everyone to start to see them for what they are?
Basically, I don't believe much of anything that climate change propagandists spout for one key reason - there is now a billion dollar industry that has been built and now needs to grow on the basis that man-made global warming is a fact. $$$$$ are available for anyone with the right product/argument that helps this con to keep going.
I am with Ben Miller on the whole debate. He said recently:
“What we really mean by “saving the planetâ€, of course, is “saving the humansâ€. I’m not sure we deserve it. For a start, we did the damage in the first place. And what’s so great about us anyway?†“…after we are extinct, some future species may industrialise, overpopulate and make exactly the same mistakes all over again. The ultimate irony is that we will just be lumps of fossil fuel for those numpties to burn.â€
Snelly.
My view on this is fairly simple. The climate of the planet is changing yes, but then again it always has and always will. So what? The world will keep turning, evolution will continue and we will get on with it.
As for the climate change brigade - what a shower of duplicitous, over-opinionated, shouty toss-pots! Haven't Al Gore, the IPCC’s Rajendra Pachuari, NASA’s James Hansen, Michael ‘Hockey Stick’ Mann and the entire crew of hysterical climate loons at the Met Office and Uni of East Anglia not been caught telling enough complete fibs on the subject for everyone to start to see them for what they are?
Basically, I don't believe much of anything that climate change propagandists spout for one key reason - there is now a billion dollar industry that has been built and now needs to grow on the basis that man-made global warming is a fact. $$$$$ are available for anyone with the right product/argument that helps this con to keep going.
I am with Ben Miller on the whole debate. He said recently:
“What we really mean by “saving the planetâ€, of course, is “saving the humansâ€. I’m not sure we deserve it. For a start, we did the damage in the first place. And what’s so great about us anyway?†“…after we are extinct, some future species may industrialise, overpopulate and make exactly the same mistakes all over again. The ultimate irony is that we will just be lumps of fossil fuel for those numpties to burn.â€
Snelly.
toonarmy
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[Crikey! There ARE people with brains North of Watford!
Careful ToonArmy else you give Northerners a bad reputation for being smart, I like to think of them as 'thick as pig shi*!
Don't worry, I'm a Southerner who just happens to live up here
You can tell by how I use sentences and my apostrophes come at the end of words and not t'start...
JustOne
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[Crikey! There ARE people with brains North of Watford!
Careful ToonArmy else you give Northerners a bad reputation for being smart, I like to think of them as 'thick as pig shi*!
Don't worry, I'm a Southerner who just happens to live up here
You can tell by how I use sentences and my apostrophes come at the end of words and not t'start...
I'd guessed as much but couldn't be entirely sure (based on your team of choice)
I 'spose we can't all be perfik
Ethan
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And what is wrong with saving humans?
Humans intervene in nature to save themselves all the time. Perhaps we should get rid of antibiotics and vaccinations so that millions would die from infections. That would be natural and organic.
I imagine your answer will be on the theme 'but that's different' .....
viscount17
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just to prove you wrong,
there could be an argument that 'we' have created the problem because we refuse to allow the 'weak' to die off.
nature keeps trying and we keep fixing.
(fwiw each of my kids would have had major problems were it not for our 'fixers')
Ethan
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just to prove you wrong,
there could be an argument that 'we' have created the problem because we refuse to allow the 'weak' to die off.
nature keeps trying and we keep fixing.
(fwiw each of my kids would have had major problems were it not for our 'fixers')
Oh dear, you didn't spot that I had called your bluff on the most obvious and the not-unreasonable answer
The survival of the fittest has a different meaning in evolutionary terms, but even so, some of the unfittest, e.g Steven Hawking, make a huge contribution to humanity.
