Val
Ryder Cup Winner
If that's the case then why wasn't his co-accused found not guilty when he was (if you pardon the expression) first on?
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Ched Evans
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If that's the case then why wasn't his co-accused found not guilty when he was (if you pardon the expression) first on?
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With so much life experience have you genuinely ever heard of any victim of sexual offences being named?I'm not 16 or 17 and have plenty experience in life from the school of hard knocks, wind your neck in a bit.
I asked a genuine question as I don't know whether she is entitled to remain anonymous I'd he's found not guilty. Don't see why she should.
She never said she didn't consent, she said she couldn't remember.
Why should she be named if he's not guilty? Apart from some sort of public humiliation or embarrasment.
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The girl and the co-defendant left the kebab shop, were they met, in a taxi together back to the hotel, Evans followed in a taxi, the lad who was cleared and the girl were in the room alone with Evans and a hotel porter listening through the door, Evans then went in to the room, afterwards Evans left the room by climbing out of the window via a fire escape.If that's the case then why wasn't his co-accused found not guilty when he was (if you pardon the expression) first on?
The jury decided because she had left with the one found not guilty, alone, it was likely she understood what was going on with him,
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
The girl and the co-defendant left the kebab shop, were they met, in a taxi together back to the hotel, Evans followed in a taxi, the lad who was cleared and the girl were in the room alone with Evans and a hotel porter listening through the door, Evans then went in to the room, afterwards Evans left the room by climbing out of the window via a fire escape.
The jury decided because she had left with the one found not guilty, alone, it was likely she understood what was going on with him,
IMO the girl all be it drunk knew exactly what was going on. Ched Evans is guilty of taking advantage of a situation but not rape IMO. I don't believe he took advantage of her as such because she was drunk. I believe an opportunity presented itself with this girland he took it.
I will add that some of you may remember I know people from that area that know Ched Evans and know the girl involved. I'm basing my opinion on what they have told me.
Simbo
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Maybe my life experience doesn't extend to scouring the news for the victims of sexual abuse cases.With so much life experience have you genuinely ever heard of any victim of sexual offences being named?
Why should she be named if he's not guilty? Apart from some sort of public humiliation or embarrasment.
What about the guy???
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I can't think of anything worse than being found guilty of something you know you've not done, and having to do the time. Then not being allowed to carry on with your job once you've served the punishment.
Unfortunately he'll always be known as a rapist.
Unfortunately he'll always be known as a rapist.
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Unfortunately only 3 people know the truth and even Evans couldn't explain some of his actions, personally I'm simple enough to believe in our judicial system and it's the same system that having finding him guilty may now clear his name.IMO the girl all be it drunk knew exactly what was going on. Ched Evans is guilty of taking advantage of a situation but not rape IMO. I don't believe he took advantage of her as such because she was drunk. I believe an opportunity presented itself with this girland he took it.
I will add that some of you may remember I know people from that area that know Ched Evans and know the girl involved. I'm basing my opinion on what they have told me.
I see the argument of all people being given anonimity until cases are finished, however it's a fine line, if there was a suspected sex offender living in my street I'd like to know for the safety of my family who they were.
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Until yesterday he was a convicted sex offender, all that has happened is that verdict has been set aside and there's a retrial, If he's innocent, goid luck to him, but we have to wait and see. Prisons are full of innocent people!Maybe my life experience doesn't extend to scouring the news for the victims of sexual abuse cases.
What about the guy???
SteveJay
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I can't think of anything worse than being found guilty of something you know you've not done, and having to do the time. Then not being allowed to carry on with your job once you've served the punishment.
Unfortunately he'll always be known as a rapist.
But thats my point....he will be allowed to carry on his job, and will soon be earning mega bucks so his time in prison will hardly dent his finances or his career. Only thing he will have to endure is abuse from opposing fans......hardly a lot to put up with in return for a pampered lifestyle of a pro footballer.
Simbo
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The girl and the co-defendant left the kebab shop, were they met, in a taxi together back to the hotel, Evans followed in a taxi, the lad who was cleared and the girl were in the room alone with Evans and a hotel porter listening through the door, Evans then went in to the room, afterwards Evans left the room by climbing out of the window via a fire escape.
The jury decided because she had left with the one found not guilty, alone, it was likely she understood what was going on with him,
Didn't She said she "had a vague recollection" of being in the kebab shop, and can't remember anything about meeting the co-defendant, had no idea how she got to the hotel or who she went with. Couldn't remember whether or not she had consented or not.
How can a jury find some guilty beyond all reasonable doubt if she herself doesn't know beyond all reasonable doubt what actually happened?
Simbo
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Until yesterday he was a convicted sex offender, all that has happened is that verdict has been set aside and there's a retrial, If he's innocent, goid luck to him, but we have to wait and see. Prisons are full of innocent people!
Agreed:thup:
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I've not once said I believe he is guilty or innocent, as Val said he put himself in a situation that he shouldn't of, she didn't bring the charges the CPS did, maybe his legal team was crap and the prosecution great, but we can only trust in the process of a Jury of 12 people.Didn't She said she "had a vague recollection" of being in the kebab shop, and can't remember anything about meeting the co-defendant, had no idea how she got to the hotel or who she went with. Couldn't remember whether or not she had consented or not.
How can a jury find some guilty beyond all reasonable doubt if she herself doesn't know beyond all reasonable doubt what actually happened?
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But thats my point....he will be allowed to carry on his job, and will soon be earning mega bucks so his time in prison will hardly dent his finances or his career. Only thing he will have to endure is abuse from opposing fans......hardly a lot to put up with in return for a pampered lifestyle of a pro footballer.
Being called a rapist isn't "a lot"?? Are you sure?
He done his time and still wasn't allowed to carry on with his job so his career has already been smashed to pieces!
Being a league 1 footballer I doubt he's on much more than 3k a week.
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Being called a rapist isn't "a lot"?? Are you sure?
He done his time and still wasn't allowed to carry on with his job so his career has already been smashed to pieces!
Being a league 1 footballer I doubt he's on much more than 3k a week.
He was 20 Grand a week when he was convicted, big fuss about Sheff Utd paying him that for the first 3 months of his sentence before they cancelled his contract.
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He was 20 Grand a week when he was convicted, big fuss about Sheff Utd paying him that for the first 3 months of his sentence before they cancelled his contract.
I very much doubt he'd command that sort of money now.
He's completed his time and hasn't been allowed to carry on with his profession.
Let's be honest, for his conviction to be squashed and a retrial ordered, there must be some overwhelming evidence that he was not guilty.
But his career and reputation has already been smashed to pieces.
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The new evidence only gives doubt if it's that overwhelming they can bin the retrial and not proceed, I think the CPS have 2 months to recharge or drop the charges.I very much doubt he'd command that sort of money now.
He's completed his time and hasn't been allowed to carry on with his profession.
Let's be honest, for his conviction to be squashed and a retrial ordered, there must be some overwhelming evidence that he was not guilty.
But his career and reputation has already been smashed to pieces.
Can I ask if you think Adam Johnson should be allowed to play again once he's out?
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The new evidence only gives doubt if it's that overwhelming they can bin the retrial and not proceed, I think the CPS have 2 months to recharge or drop the charges.
Can I ask if you think Adam Johnson should be allowed to play again once he's out?
You can.
No he's a nonce, he deserves to be tortured.
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You can.
No he's a nonce, he deserves to be tortured.
In the eyes of the law, before yesterday, both are/were on the sex offenders register.
SteveJay
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Being called a rapist isn't "a lot"?? Are you sure?
He done his time and still wasn't allowed to carry on with his job so his career has already been smashed to pieces!
Being a league 1 footballer I doubt he's on much more than 3k a week.
Abuse from fans comes with the territory irrespective of the truth.....................................................................£3k a week (I suspect a lot more actually), but anyway, how will he possibly manage financially....my heart bleeds for him.
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In the eyes of the law, before yesterday, both are/were on the sex offenders register.
You cannot compare Evans to Johnson.
