Ched Evans

[bladeplayer]

I read and fully understood your post, which is why I assumed you didn't really mean "mitigating circumstance" even though that was the phrase you used. I hoped you'd clarify what you actually meant.

Lost in translation so .. we are in agreement ..

I dont know what happened as i said only 3 people will ever know ,, few things that surprised me with the case thats all

If she couldnt remember , how was her evidence taken into account ?

If she was raped as the court found she was , so he is correctly guilty until proven other wise now ,then they guy who she went with / took her to the hotel room and let his mate join in is an accomplice and should have been charged ..

 

[williamalex1]

Don't see the relevance with the offence Ferguson committed, who in fact apologised and accepted redponsibility, and Rape. If a footballer commits offences against a child should they be allowed to play again?
Putting all offences in one category is very dangerous

Ferguson was jailed for something football related so that is relevant imo.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Ferguson was jailed for something football related so that is relevant imo.

And IMO allowing a convicted Rapist to be glorified on a football pitch is sick!

 

[Papas1982]

hence why i have asked the question - is there anything not being said - have the courts kept something that the young lady said - is there evidence that we dont know about ?

The fact there has been mistakes in the justice system is always a reason to be open minded in regards some cases if you believe there is doubt there.

Why dont you believe him ? He could be telling them truth - it could simply be a case of his word against hers - that itself brings in doubt.

(p.s. - impressed this has stayed a civil debate )

I don't belive him simply on the strength of our judicial system. I'll be honest, when it first came to light I was probably more on his side. Along the lines of "wannabe wag getting bitter". But once the courts found him guilty that's it for me.

If if he has an appeal and their strong case works I'll hold my hands up. And whilst I fully accept parts may appear work. I am presuming more has been seen in the court. Again only a presumption on my part but I belive unless he gets the decision overturned he's guilty in my eyes.

Pure his remorse, from what I've seen he hasn't shiwed any at all, even towards how they treated her like entertainment. En again, if he believes he is innocent he'd hardly feel compassion for what she's done.

 

[Papas1982]

And IMO allowing a convicted Rapist to be glorified on a football pitch is sick!

It's his job? Can accountants only become paperboys if they're convicted?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Whether we like it or not, Football is a high profile sport that comes with many pro's and cons, one of which is lifestyle and media attention,
Unfortunately I believe his career is ruined and until he overturns his conviction he should not be allowed to play again,
If a teacher is done for child abuse should they be allowed to teach again or become a paperboy?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Whether we like it or not, Football is a high profile sport that comes with many pro's and cons, one of which is lifestyle and mefia attention,
Unfortunately I believe his career is ruined and until he overturns his conviction he should not be allowed to play again,
If a teacher is done for child abuse should they be allowed to teach again or become a paperboy?

Dont think it can be compared to a teacher and child abuse because they are going back into an environment which will involve children

Once people are released from prison they are able to pursue work - if there are no rule set in place then there is nothing stopping him from carrying on being a footballer - players have returned to the game after prison sentences - so there is no reason why Evans cant return.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

My answer was in response to should accountants become paperboys, There are plenty of jobs were you would be unable to return to.
Part of the "add on's" of his job is lifestyle and unless he becomes a monk after the games it is perceived as lessening his offence.
Him and the teacher will both be on the sex offenders register!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My answer was in response to should accountants become paperboys, There are plenty of jobs were you would be unable to return to.
Part of the "add on's" of his job is lifestyle and unless he becomes a monk after the games it is perceived as lessening his offence.
Him and the teacher will both be on the sex offenders register!

Well you would hope that he would certianly not put himself in the same situation as before and act like a saint away from the pitch

Yes he would be on the sex offenders register and will be unable to get a job that will not allow people who are on that register which im not sure which jobs they - i know a young man in MK was placed on the register because on a night out with his mates ( he is a teacher ) he met a young lady in the night club - went back to his etc and they saw each other a few times only to find out she is 15 - lost his job - will never be a teacher again and now struggles for work - i dont know if people ever come off it ?

 

[JustOne]

Until then he's a convicted sexual predator that should be rehabilitated before he can move on.

You sound like a broken record in this thread.

FWIW I don't agree with a single post of yours, how the jury didn't come back with "reasonable doubt" is beyond common sense.

Q6. If the complainant made no allegation of rape or indeed any sexual activity, why did the North Wales police launch a rape investigation?

A. The complainant initially reported to the police that she believed ‘her drink had been spiked’. It was only after informing the police that the complainant had stayed in a room in the Premier Inn that had been booked for two footballers, that the police escalated the enquiry to a rape enquiry. This was only 14 minutes after taking the call and without interviewing either the complainant or the suspects.

Toxicology reports proved that there was no trace of any date rape drug in her system only traces of cannabis and cocaine.

Out of interest what IS the rehabilitation that you keep mentioning for a rapist?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Well you would hope that he would certianly not put himself in the same situation as before and act like a saint away from the pitch

Forgive us if we don't all share your faith in the future behaviour of a man who raped a drunk teenager yet maintains he did nothing wrong.

Phil, I've read some of his website and am actually more astounded than before at your defence of the man. Even the "facts" as presented there to shed the best possible light on his version of events paint a damning picture of a sexual predator.

 

[JustOne]

Even the "facts" as presented there to shed the best possible light on his version of events paint a damning picture of a sexual predator.

Sexual predator.... or a rapist?

Wanting to get laid isn't a crime, wanting to have (what some people might consider) 'pervy' sex isn't either.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Forgive us if we don't all share your faith in the future behaviour of a man who raped a drunk teenager yet maintains he did nothing wrong.

Phil, I've read some of his website and am actually more astounded than before at your defence of the man. Even the "facts" as presented there to shed the best possible light on his version of events paint a damning picture of a sexual predator.

Yes him and his mates possibly go out at night to find girls to sleep with - if thats what a sexual predator is called then thats most men and in fact ladies who possibly go out looking for someone to sleep with and some looking to find a nice catch like a footballer.

You are quite happy to point out the bits in the website that im missing that confirm his guilt beyond all reasonable doubt

Evans might well regret getting himself into the situation he did but if he still believe he is innocent then surely he can still pursue that.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Sexual predator.... or a rapist?

Wanting to get laid isn't a crime, wanting to have (what some people might consider) 'pervy' sex isn't either.

It isn't no. Wanting to get laid so much that you'll bluff your way into a hotel room, have sex with a drunk teenager and then sneak out down the fire escape sounds pretty much like a crime to me.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It isn't no. Wanting to get laid so much that you'll bluff your way into a hotel room, have sex with a drunk teenager and then sneak out down the fire escape sounds pretty much like a crime to me.

Wasnt it his hotel room ? Wouldnt be the first to have sex with a teenager who was drunk - either male or female

No idea why he wanted to avoid the receptionist when the porter already saw him

 

[JustOne]

For the record:

When someone is sentenced less than 1 year then they only serve HALF the time, if their sentence is over 1 year then they STILL only serve half the time but are released ON LICENCE for the remainder.
http://sentencingcouncil.judiciary.gov.uk/sentencing/determinate-prison-sentences.htm

He has served enough time as is necessary BY LAW..... so wind your necks in with that regard.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yes him and his mates possibly go out at night to find girls to sleep with - if thats what a sexual predator is called then thats most men and in fact ladies who possibly go out looking for someone to sleep with and some looking to find a nice catch like a footballer.

You are quite happy to point out the bits in the website that im missing that confirm his guilt beyond all reasonable doubt

Evans might well regret getting himself into the situation he did but if he still believe he is innocent then surely he can still pursue that.

Well a court of law found him guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, which you seem to want to ignore.

He lied to get into the hotel room.
He claims his pal asked the victim if it was ok for him to "join in". The pal denies this, says Evans asked, which Evans denies.
He sneaked out down the fire escape afterwards.

And this is the events as depicted in his own website, so this is the best possible light he can shine on it.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Wasnt it his hotel room ? Wouldnt be the first to have sex with a teenager who was drunk - either male or female

No idea why he wanted to avoid the receptionist when the porter already saw him

No, it was his friend's room.

 

[JustOne]

Wanting to get laid so much that you'll bluff your way into a hotel room, have sex with a drunk teenager and then sneak out down the fire escape sounds pretty much like a crime to me.

Only if she says "No."




If she can't remember what she said then there should be reasonable doubt.... possibly even more so considering she'd already had sex with one guy who DIDN'T get done.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well a court of law found him guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, which you seem to want to ignore.

He lied to get into the hotel room.
He claims his pal asked the victim if it was ok for him to "join in". The pal denies this, says Evans asked, which Evans denies.
He sneaked out down the fire escape afterwards.

And this is the events as depicted in his own website, so this is the best possible light he can shine on it.

Where did you get that from ?

That seems different from what i have read

. At this point according to the evidence of both Clayton and Ched the question of whether Ched could “join in” was asked of the complainant, they both said that she replied with a positive “yeah”

I havent seen anywhere that says that his mate said that he didnt ask ?

The hotel room was booked with Evans credit card ? and no idea why he went down the fire escape but is that a sign of guilt ?