Ched Evans

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FairwayDodger said:
From the account on Evans on website, in my opinion both were guilty of rape. However, the way each came to be in the hotel room with her were very different. Accordingly one got away with it due to "reasonable doubt", whereas there was no doubt about the other.
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It's interesting that you have used the 'old adage of innocent until proven guilty' earlier in the thread then use the term 'got away with it' to describe someone found not guilty. The implication being he was guilty but 'got away with it'.

Emotive subject matter being discussed here that will polarize opinion.
 
c1973 said:
It's interesting that you have used the 'old adage of innocent until proven guilty' earlier in the thread then use the term 'got away with it' to describe someone found not guilty. The implication being he was guilty but 'got away with it'.

Emotive subject matter being discussed here that will polarize opinion.
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Only been forced there by people suggesting that if one was innocent the other must be too. I respect the courts decision on both, just trying to account for the apparent disparity.
 
FairwayDodger said:
You're unbelievable. Forget the finer points of law and the court's verdict, do you even think he did anything wrong?
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Sorry but what is unbelievable about a 22/23 having sex with a teenager ? ( obviously we are talking above the age of consent )

I was 23 and met a girl of 18 on a night out both of us where very drunk etc and then we were together for 3 years

And do i think Evans did anything wrong - yes i do - i believe he was stupid to put himself into the position and acted like and idiot

As for being guilty of rape - i dont know because i see doubt within the whole thing
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sorry but what is unbelievable about a 22/23 having sex with a teenager ? ( obviously we are talking above the age of consent )

I was 23 and met a girl of 18 on a night out both of us where very drunk etc and then we were together for 3 years

And do i think Evans did anything wrong - yes i do - i believe he was stupid to put himself into the position and acted like and idiot

As for being guilty of rape - i dont know because i see doubt within the whole thing
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So stupid and an idiot but not actually morally wrong in any way?
 
FairwayDodger said:
...do you even think he did anything wrong?
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I don't. They both gave statements probably not even knowing that she had no recollection of events, their own honest statement of events got one put in prison. They were not to know that she would wake up and not be able to remember anything.

If I get smashed down the pub with the missus tonight, we fall into bed laughing as we rip each others clothes off and she wakes up not being able to remember what we did when we got home have I just raped her? I'm hoping the answer is no.... as she can hardly remember most nights :mad:
 
JustOne said:
I don't. They both gave statements probably not even knowing that she had no recollection of events, their own honest statement of events got one put in prison. They were not to know that she would wake up and not be able to remember anything.

If I get smashed down the pub with the missus tonight, we fall into bed laughing as we rip each others clothes off and she wakes up not being able to remember what we did when we got home have I just raped her? I'm hoping the answer is no.... as she can hardly remember most nights :mad:
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Wow, I'm genuinely surprised anyone would say that.

I don't think you having sex with your wife is in any way analogous to the events of that night.
 
JustOne said:
I don't. They both gave statements probably not even knowing that she had no recollection of events, their own honest statement of events got one put in prison. They were not to know that she would wake up and not be able to remember anything.

If I get smashed down the pub with the missus tonight, we fall into bed laughing as we rip each others clothes off and she wakes up not being able to remember what we did when we got home have I just raped her? I'm hoping the answer is no.... as she can hardly remember most nights :mad:
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And as I've already asked, if the bloke is too drunk to give consent (implied or otherwise) would the girl be charged? I don't think she would, which shows a disparity between the two sexes in the eyes of the law. However that's another argument.
 
Ok guys, it's getting a bit silly now, proposing to close the thread unless someone comes up with a different angle on the topic as it's been going round in circles for a while now
 
PhilTheFragger said:
Ok guys, it's getting a bit silly now, proposing to close the thread unless someone comes up with a different angle on the topic as it's been going round in circles for a while now
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Think that's ridiculous, it seems to me to be a reasoned debate with differing opinions on an emotive subject. No personal attacks etc, why close it?
 
c1973 said:
And as I've already asked, if the bloke is too drunk to give consent (implied or otherwise) would the girl be charged? I don't think she would, which shows a disparity between the two sexes in the eyes of the law. However that's another argument.
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Seriously? Come off it.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Seems fair enough, positions are entrenched, poster's different attitudes towards rape made clear, only arguing now.
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Sorry Phil and sorry but that comment is not fair at all

My attitude towards rape is the same as its always been - its disgusting and would like to see a stronger sentence.
 
Thread closed

Its following a downward spiral, people are starting to insult others, and replies are getting more extreme and explicit.

the next step would be handbags at 10 paces with possibly infractions given out , now avoided :)
 
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