Changing attitudes in golf

[delc]

your implication here is that (restricted) class D is in some way limiting, and would suddenly prevent you (gliders) entering. Very misleading - almost worthy of Cutting Edge :thup:

Class D Airspace is actually very limiting to glider pilots, because we have to get permission to enter it by radio (not all gliders are fitted with radios) and air traffic controllers can refuse entry for any reason, and because we can't fly straight and level, it can be impossible to comply with their instructions. We generally avoid planning cross-country flights that pass through Class D Airspace for these reasons, which in some parts of the country constricts us to quite small areas and narrow corridors, The best looking soaring conditions are always in the Class D!

 

[Foxholer]

Was there not a short lived comedy about a golf club too?

'The 19th Hole' starring Eric Sykes! Only ran for 1 series as deemed 'unfunny, racist and sexist'. Seems pretty much true to life!

 

[sev112]

Played at Northwood last week, Happy to report a very changed atmosphere, very welcoming and the roast pork on the menu is mouth wateringly yummy

some quirky holes mind

Not very inclusive menu in the 21st Century ......


(Lights touch paper, retreats and watches from distance............).

 

[sev112]

That Northwood documentary was quite famous at the time, purporting to expose a vein of discrimination, misogyny and elitism in golf. Even then, many golfers didn't recognise it in their own clubs, and there is a suggestion that the documentary makers searched quite hard to find the right sort of old buffer to suit their preferred narrative. Nobody asked whether you could find a similar old fart or two in the local cricket club, bowls club, conservative club or elsewhere. You obviously could.

Very true, but they did find them, whether edited or not, and there is no requirement to find every bigot in the wolrd to expose any other one.

However, I do wonder what on earth Northwood had in mind when they invited journalists in ? What did they think they might have been after ?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I remember watching it at the time and a few years ago when it was repeated and thought it was did nothing to show the club in a good light and the editorial feel was to highlight the perceived stuffy and discriminatory nature of club that 90% of the non-golfing public thought went on. I don't think some of those featured did themselves any favours though

 

[North Mimms]

I'd say more traditional than archaic

Despite that fact that I quoted you, i did not mean you personally held archaic views.
Other than that, I stand by my earlier post

 

[Foxholer]

At that time you almost had to be a Freemason to get into Northwood GC. Another club in the area wouldn't admit Jews or Asians and there were a couple of exclusively Jewish clubs. Almost seems like another world now! :mmm:

Exclusive/predominantly Jewish clubs reflected the difficulty (that, obscenely, still exists in some clubs) they experienced in joining 'normal' ones! Obviously not a problem at Northwood though - Stan Fink (aka Baron Fink of Northwood) is a member!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Not very inclusive menu in the 21st Century ......


(Lights touch paper, retreats and watches from distance............).

Would quite possibly be discriminatory if it was the only thing on the menu

(see also current fuss in Newtonabbey NI about a baker refusing to bake a cake with two male Sesame Street figures and iced lettering supporting gay marriage http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n.../baker-in-gay-marriage-cake-row-30722382.html)

 

[muttleee]

Very true, but they did find them, whether edited or not, and there is no requirement to find every bigot in the wolrd to expose any other one.

However, I do wonder what on earth Northwood had in mind when they invited journalists in ? What did they think they might have been after ?

Interesting article about the background to the programme.

 

[Ethan]

Very true, but they did find them, whether edited or not, and there is no requirement to find every bigot in the wolrd to expose any other one.

However, I do wonder what on earth Northwood had in mind when they invited journalists in ? What did they think they might have been after ?

There is a maxim in stats to the effect that extreme data tells you nothing about the average, and another in the law that hard cases make bad laws. Both mean that there are always odd and extreme examples, outliers, but they tell you very little about typical or average examples. Show that the old duffer is typical and you have a story, but only show that he has the attitudes of the 1950s and all you have is someone who was a young man in the 1950s. Throw a golf ball down any High Street in the UK and you will hit a bunch of people with some or other attitude that is probably more extreme or unsavoury than his.

 

[delc]

Exclusive/predominantly Jewish clubs reflected the difficulty (that, obscenely, still exists in some clubs) they experienced in joining 'normal' ones! Obviously not a problem at Northwood though - Stan Fink (aka Baron Fink of Northwood) is a member!

Our club opened in 1996. Interestingly it has quite a diverse membership in terms of ethnicity and religion. We have everything from Rastafarian Jamicans to Koreans. Presumably these are the people who would not have been made welcome at the more traditional members clubs! The only requirement to join was to be able to afford a debenture and the annual membership fees. At that time most members clubs had long waiting lists and could pick and choose who they admitted as members.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Th Throw a golf ball down any High Street in the UK and you will hit a bunch of people with some or other attitude that is probably more extreme or unsavoury than his.

I'd probably question the attitude of someone willing to throw a golf ball at unsuspecting people on a High Street