Celtic

BristolMike said:
Edited my comment. He's a very naturally talented player, but in English football he's looked ok at best other than maybe at Plymouth. If he was good enough he wouldn't be playing in Scotland against pub teams week in week out
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That'll do for me :rofl:

Thank god rugby is my game now, always good to jump on Scottish football threads now and again though especially where folk who don't know enough about it spout nonsense.
 
Backache said:
Some players need a bit of confidence from their manager to shine.
I can just imagine if Moses had been recruited by Celtic and had shone people would be saying exactly the same things. As it is he is currently playing well with Chelsea.
On the other side of the defense Alonso was a failure at Sunderland relatively recently. In midfield Kante was playing for a minor French team a couple of years ago. Luiz was considered a bit of a defensive joke.
Judge players on how they are performing at the moment
Sinclair is a pretty decent footballer who with his current levels of confidence would probably do pretty well in many premier league teams even if he couldn't displace the striking incumbents in the top 6 or 7.
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Good post, worth noting Celtic gave the likes of Forster and Wanyama a chance to express themselves and become better players. They've done not bad after leaving our pub league
 
Backache said:
Some players need a bit of confidence from their manager to shine.
I can just imagine if Moses had been recruited by Celtic and had shone people would be saying exactly the same things. As it is he is currently playing well with Chelsea.
On the other side of the defense Alonso was a failure at Sunderland relatively recently. In midfield Kante was playing for a minor French team a couple of years ago. Luiz was considered a bit of a defensive joke.
Judge players on how they are performing at the moment
Sinclair is a pretty decent footballer who with his current levels of confidence would probably do pretty well in many premier league teams even if he couldn't displace the striking incumbents in the top 6 or 7.
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The players you're highlighting have done it in the most competitive league in the world though. Sinclair has had his chance in England and hasn't shone. He's not the only Celtic player though and it's bigger than just him and dembele.

I would say they would be a lower 3rd premiership team. People have brought up their record against city this season, but it's very easy to up your game for a couple of games (look at the FA Cup shocks) but a lot harder to do it on a consistent basis.
 
Val said:
That'll do for me :rofl:

Thank god rugby is my game now, always good to jump on Scottish football threads now and again though especially where folk who don't know enough about it spout nonsense.
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Would you say any of the other teams in the SPL would even survive in the championship. Aren't Rangers best players all from league one teams?
 
BristolMike said:
The players you're highlighting have done it in the most competitive league in the world though. Sinclair has had his chance in England and hasn't shone. He's not the only Celtic player though and it's bigger than just him and dembele.

I would say they would be a lower 3rd premiership team. People have brought up their record against city this season, but it's very easy to up your game for a couple of games (look at the FA Cup shocks) but a lot harder to do it on a consistent basis.
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I suggested thy would be mid premiership and as the difference between mid and lower third overlaps and is very little in points and playing terms we are not really disagreeing.
Most folk supporting Sinclair are saying he would be on current form a decent though not top 6 premiership player. I would suggest this is probably true for most of the players of the year from the bottom third of the premiership teams.
 
Val said:
Is it any worse than the gulf between Bayern Munich and the rest of the Bundesliga or PSG and the rest of Ligue 1

Scottish football has its knockers about the quality on show but it's no different to many leagues in Europe where the champs are predictable.

I should add, did anyone complain about the gulf in class when Arsenal went a season unbeaten?
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I watched both the falkirk v Dundee Utd games recently and both games surprisingly were much better than I expected. I reckon most of the knockers have never sat and watched Scottish football properly.

Have you been in the standing section at Celtic yet val? I'd love to get in there for a old firm game.
 
BristolMike said:
Completely agree with that. He has only really looked good in English football outside of the prem, put him in the SPL and he's a world beater.
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He looked very good at Swansea in the Prem - the move to City was the poor one
 
you always here the same argument, if Celtic were in England thet would be championship level, you forget tho that Celtic are a massive club with a worldwide following, give them the finances available to teams in England and they would be challenging for the title.

stick huddersfield in the spl with a Scottish budget and see how well they do.......
 
Liverpoolphil said:
He looked very good at Swansea in the Prem - the move to City was the poor one
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sinclair has been great this season but by no means a world beater, tbh I think he is suited to teams who play counter attacking football, Man City should have suited him but just didnt work out, playing in a villa team who struggled was never gonna end well for him .
 
jpxpro said:
you always here the same argument, if Celtic were in England thet would be championship level, you forget tho that Celtic are a massive club with a worldwide following, give them the finances available to teams in England and they would be challenging for the title.

stick huddersfield in the spl with a Scottish budget and see how well they do.......
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Lets ignore Huddersfield and look at Newcastle. Similar attendances, similar following. I would say that Celtic don't have the quality of players Newcastle do.

Celtic would never challenge for the premiership 😂😂😂
 
jpxpro said:
you always here the same argument, if Celtic were in England thet would be championship level, you forget tho that Celtic are a massive club with a worldwide following, give them the finances available to teams in England and they would be challenging for the title.

stick huddersfield in the spl with a Scottish budget and see how well they do.......
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Suggesting they would be challenging for the title is the same ridiculous level as saying they would be in the championship - the truth I expect is somewhere in the middle

Even with the Prem money they would still have to attract the players and pay the bigger wages - Celtic woolf float around midtable at first and then would be in the mix alongside the likes of Everton , Southampton, West Ham etc fighting for Europa League places
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Suggesting they would be challenging for the title is the same ridiculous level as saying they would be in the championship - the truth I expect is somewhere in the middle

Even with the Prem money they would still have to attract the players and pay the bigger wages - Celtic woolf float around midtable at first and then would be in the mix alongside the likes of Everton , Southampton, West Ham etc fighting for Europa League places
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its all about opinions obviously but the club is big enough to be right up there with Liverpools etc challenging,

I'm might be wearing green tinted specs tho :)
 
jpxpro said:
its all about opinions obviously but the club is big enough to be right up there with Liverpools etc challenging,

I'm might be wearing green tinted specs tho :)
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Liverpools challenging 😂😂😂😂

next year is their year 😃😃
 
Chelsea will struggle to win back to back all depends who they bring in but expect a lot of changes in 1st 11 , spurs hate Wembley, Man U are in transition, arsenal are well arsenal so could be a wide open league
 
BristolMike said:
Edited my comment. He's a very naturally talented player, but in English football he's looked ok at best other than maybe at Plymouth. If he was good enough he wouldn't be playing in Scotland against pub teams week in week out
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Wanyama and Van Dijk seem to be doing quite well for a couple of guys who played in the pub league.

Dembele supposed to be going to Chelski for £30m, Tierney to Man U for £18-20m, Newcastle chasing Armstrong.

Press talking about Sinclair playing for England.
Speaking of which I hope the UKIP branch of the England fans will be of good behaviour when they visit Hampden a couple of days after the election.
 
jpxpro said:
Chelsea will struggle to win back to back all depends who they bring in but expect a lot of changes in 1st 11 , spurs hate Wembley, Man U are in transition, arsenal are well arsenal so could be a wide open league
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I can see united, city and Chelsea spending big money on some top stars. Spurs have to try and keep the players they have and then change the dimensions of the Wembley pitch, and Arsenal will be Arsenal as you say. Liverpool won't spend big enough and the additional games will really hurt them. Just can't see them getting anywhere near the league
 
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