Celtic

[BristolMike]

Wanyama and Van Dijk seem to be doing quite well for a couple of guys who played in the pub league.

Dembele supposed to be going to Chelski for £30m, Tierney to Man U for £18-20m, Newcastle chasing Armstrong.

Press talking about Sinclair playing for England.
Speaking of which I hope the UKIP branch of the England fans will be of good behaviour when they visit Hampden a couple of days after the election.

Every pub league has some players who do well. If you look at the league as a whole it's basically league one/two. Average salary if you take Rangers and Celtic out is less than 90k a year which is league 2 money. I know you're getting defensive about your league, but the overall standard is poor, very poor.

 

[jpxpro]

Every pub league has some players who do well. If you look at the league as a whole it's basically league one/two. Average salary if you take Rangers and Celtic out is less than 90k a year which is league 2 money. I know you're getting defensive about your league, but the overall standard is poor, very poor.

money doesnt guarantee good football, some of the premiership borefests this season have been shocking

 

[BristolMike]

money doesnt guarantee good football, some of the premiership borefests this season have been shocking

I don't doubt that, but in general the standard of the SPL is of league one/two standard. I'm sure you wouldn't disagree hugely to that?

 

[Papas1982]

you always here the same argument, if Celtic were in England thet would be championship level, you forget tho that Celtic are a massive club with a worldwide following, give them the finances available to teams in England and they would be challenging for the title.

stick huddersfield in the spl with a Scottish budget and see how well they do.......

If they were given all that money they would still need to become more attractive than Chelsea, City, Utd, Arsenal and liverpool if you just base on recent histiry and club stature. Add spurs to that list too as London clearly has a pull that i doubt very much Glasgow has.

Chelsea and city really broke the top clubs with BILLIONS of extra. Not just TV money. So to think that a few years of strugling in the prem whilst storing up the pennies to then attempt to win it is optimistic in the extreme.

Clubs win things based on their results. Not past or stature. Otherwise the prem would still have Leeds, Villa and Forest to name a few clubs "bigger" than certain prem incumbents.

 

[Pin-seeker]

I'm not saying Sinclair is a bad player,but he's average in the English Premier.
In the Scottish Prem he's Christiano Messi

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Every pub league has some players who do well. If you look at the league as a whole it's basically league one/two. Average salary if you take Rangers and Celtic out is less than 90k a year which is league 2 money. I know you're getting defensive about your league, but the overall standard is poor, very poor.

So you also think that it is all about money........there are/were some very poor players in the EPL who are on massive salaries.
As I said earlier it is very easy for clubs outside of the top six in the EPL to go the way of Bolton and Portsmouth.
Does anyone really imagine Bournemouth with their 11,000 capacity ground being in the EPL for long.
TV money keeps the bandwagon going, once that stops, like it did for snooker, it will collapse like a pack of cards.

 

[BristolMike]

So you also think that it is all about money........there are/were some very poor players in the EPL who are on massive salaries.
As I said earlier it is very easy for clubs outside of the top six in the EPL to go the way of Bolton and Portsmouth.
Does anyone really imagine Bournemouth with their 11,000 capacity ground being in the EPL for long.
TV money keeps the bandwagon going, once that stops, like it did for snooker, it will collapse like a pack of cards.

no it's not just about money, and tbh you comments are irrelevant to th argument about the standard if Scottish football.

Oh and little Bournemouth would walk the SPL

 

[Doon frae Troon]

no it's not just about money, and tbh you comments are irrelevant to th argument about the standard if Scottish football.

Oh and little Bournemouth would walk the SPL

Perhaps they would run Celtic close ATM but without their EPL TV money they would just be makeweights.
They would never survive at Scotland's top table with 11,000 gates

 

[Hobbit]

Lets ignore Huddersfield and look at Newcastle. Similar attendances, similar following. I would say that Celtic don't have the quality of players Newcastle do.

Celtic would never challenge for the premiership 

If Celtic haven't got the quality of players Newcastle have they would seriously struggle in the Prem. I was talking to a Newcastle season ticket holder of Friday. He thinks the current squad isn't as good as the one that was relegated last season. His words, "good enough to kick its way out of the Championship but lacking in ball players." He's expecting a yoyo season if Benitez isn't backed in the transfer market.

If Celtic would struggle to match Newcastle, they'll be a yoyo club at best.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Yet another Scottish football thread trashed by captain obvious and his pedants who can't resist the need to point out that The EPL is a higher standard than the spl.

Tone down the arrogance and tell us something we don't know.

Doesn't diminish the fact that going unbeaten in their league is a great achievement for any team at any level.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Yet another Scottish football thread trashed by captain obvious and his pedants who can't resist the need to point out that The EPL is a higher standard than the spl.

Tone down the arrogance and tell us something we don't know.

Doesn't diminish the fact that going unbeaten in their league is a great achievement for any team at any level.

Well said
I fear Hearts are going to get a good drubbing today.
Good to see Hibs back. I think Lennon's team will make quite an impact next season in the SPFL.

 

[BristolMike]

Yet another Scottish football thread trashed by captain obvious and his pedants who can't resist the need to point out that The EPL is a higher standard than the spl.

Tone down the arrogance and tell us something we don't know.

Doesn't diminish the fact that going unbeaten in their league is a great achievement for any team at any level.

Its an achievement, but it is diminished by the fact they have over twice the wage budget of rangers and 3-4 times the nearest challenger after that. It also has to be taken into consideration that the rest of the league is league one standard at best. Even rangers wouldn't survive in the championship.

it can't even be looked at in the same way as arsenals unbeaten run, or even spurs unbeaten home record this season. You have to take into account the level of competition when reviewing the season

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I think you have totally missed FD's point, please read her post again and remember that this is a post on Scottish football.
Nothing whatsoever to do with Spurs, Arsenal, Bournmouth etc.

It is impossible to have a Scottish Football thread on here without the usual suspects waving their willies all over the shop about how wonderful the EPL is compared to the SPFL.

For those who deal in facts.
The only competitive game played this year between teams of the two leagues resulted in 1-1 and 3-3 draws between Man City and Celtic in the Champions League.

 

[BristolMike]

I think you have totally missed FD's point, please read her post again and remember that this is a post on Scottish football.
Nothing whatsoever to do with Spurs, Arsenal, Bournmouth etc.

It is impossible to have a Scottish Football thread on here without the usual suspects waving their willies all over the shop about how wonderful the EPL is compared to the SPFL.

For those who deal in facts.
The only competitive game played this year between teams of the two leagues resulted in 1-1 and 3-3 draws between Man City and Celtic in the Champions League.

I didn't miss the point at all. You were lauding Celtic for going unbeaten all season, but in reality they should do. They have no competition as every other team is league one at best. It's not a question of the standard of the EPL v SPL, it's a question of the competitiveness of the respective leagues. Celtic have no serious competition, they shouldn't even be in the same league as most of that league. All other European leagues have competitive teams, Scotland just doesn't.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Straight over the wee mans head!

:rofl:

At least I tried....

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Straight over the wee mans head!

:rofl:

At least I tried....

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[BristolMike]

Straight over the wee mans head!

:rofl:

At least I tried....

Do you not feel the achievement is diminished by the standard of opposition?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Do you not feel the achievement is diminished by the standard of opposition?

It's really not the point. Going undefeated in any league is a great achievement. Rangers couldn't manage it in the fourth tier with an even bigger financial disparity. It's hard to do.

I really wish people who know nothing about Scottish football but want to knock it anyway would stay out of these threads.

 

[BristolMike]

It's really not the point. Going undefeated in any league is a great achievement. Rangers couldn't manage it in the fourth tier with an even bigger financial disparity. It's hard to do.

I really wish people who know nothing about Scottish football but want to knock it anyway would stay out of these threads.

ive seen enough Scottish football to form an opinion. Celtic playing in that league is like Juve or Napoli playing in Serie C. You can only beat what's in front of you, but they SHOULD beat everything that's put in front of them. They have a budget more than all the other teams combined and the standard of those other teams are probably a league/2 leagues below celtics standard.

I think your reaction is more to do with patriotism rather than looking in an objective way.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

ive seen enough Scottish football to form an opinion. Celtic playing in that league is like Juve or Napoli playing in Serie C. You can only beat what's in front of you, but they SHOULD beat everything that's put in front of them. They have a budget more than all the other teams combined and the standard of those other teams are probably a league/2 leagues below celtics standard.

I think your reaction is more to do with patriotism rather than looking in an objective way.

You arent going to win this one Mike, but you have made your point and its time to leave it at that and agree to disagree.

Personally I think you have to applaud Celtic. it is a great achievement at any level (although id have a little chortle if they slipped up today)
but they do need an effective opposition to keep it interesting (Not talking political here
ideally you need 3 or 4 teams in with a shout, otherwise it will end up as a procession and each triumph will be slightly devalued

Straw poll for the happiest most contented , most secure manager in UK football ? has to be Brendan Rodgers, I can do that, Gis a job