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Will they ever drag themselves into the modern world

They are unwilling to do anything about the ranks of disgusting peadophile and sexual abuse priests and bishops within their ranks

Voted against more openess towards homo sexuals and remarrying

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29678751
 
Jeez Catholic Church, if a golf forum is telling you to drag yourself into the modern world then you are in trouble.;)

Perhaps they will say it's just tradition and etiquette
 
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Hacker Khan said:
Jeez Catholic Church, if a golf forum is telling you to drag yourself into the modern world then you are in trouble.;)

Perhaps they will say it's just tradition and etiquette
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Wow - i am impressed that you are able to continuely bring up the traditions etc of golf in nearly every thread - surprised you didnt also mention the dress code :rolleyes:

You dont like some of the traditions of dress codes and golf etc - we get it - the point and message has been firmly put across of your distaste for it.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Wow - i am impressed that you are able to continuely bring up the traditions etc of golf in nearly every thread - surprised you didnt also mention the dress code :rolleyes:

You dont like some of the traditions of dress codes and golf etc - we get it - the point and message has been firmly put across of your distaste for it.
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Think it was a joke Phil.
 
Slicer30 said:
Maybe someone should start a thread about the anti catholic vibe on here

Sick of it
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I was brought up as a Catholic as all my mothers family are stout catholics - i went to a catholic boarding school for 3 years - the same boarding school that has had teachers and brothers charged and sent down for sexual abuse

Even the Pope himself has said there is around 5% of his priesthood that are peadophiles

And here they have a chance to show they are changing for the better and they decide to stick to their IMO archaic views.

The catholic church doesnt paint a very good picture of itself at times
 
Yeah not defending the church at all, got a lot to answer for for sure.

But although the vote went against, the debate is being had now. Before it would not even get on the table.

Anyway - just the hangover talking.
 
Slicer30 said:
Yeah not defending the church at all, got a lot to answer for for sure.

But although the vote went against, the debate is being had now. Before it would not even get on the table.

Anyway - just the hangover talking.
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Very fair point

The Pope seems to be one that wants to change the image of the church - got a massive fight on his hands but would be a good step forward to see his bishops start to get behind him
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I was brought up as a Catholic as all my mothers family are stout catholics - i went to a catholic boarding school for 3 years - the same boarding school that has had teachers and brothers charged and sent down for sexual abuse

Even the Pope himself has said there is around 5% of his priesthood that are peadophiles

And here they have a chance to show they are changing for the better and they decide to stick to their IMO archaic views.

The catholic church doesnt paint a very good picture of itself at times
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Pope Frank said it was 2%, and that was based on a similar figure in the general population, so he was making the point that the prevalence is probably the same in the clergy as the general population. The 2% figure, by the way, is based on people who are attracted to children aged 14 or less, although strictly speaking paedophilia refers to attraction to pre-pubescent children, and the term hebephilia refers to attraction to attraction to children aged 11 to 14. That greys the data because it is thought likely that the prevalence is weighted towards those who are attracted to the older kids compared to pre-pubescent, and the true figure for paedophilia is less than 1%.

I think his point was misinterpreted as an admission that the Church is full of paedos, whereas instead he was trying to convey that he understood that the Church had issues because it reflected some of the norms of the general population.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Will they ever drag themselves into the modern world

They are unwilling to do anything about the ranks of disgusting peadophile and sexual abuse priests and bishops within their ranks

Voted against more openess towards homo sexuals and remarrying

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29678751
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They do act against paedophiles in their ranks! They move them to another diocese, problem solved. :(

I think the pope is on a sticky wicket with regard to openness towards homosexuality unfortunately. You're always going to have the 'thou shalt not lay with man as with woman' brigade (phrase may be slightly out, but sentiment is spot on).
If you're going to live your life with the good book as the guiding principle (sp?) then they can't really pick and choose the bits they want to follow as this dilutes the message they try to put across in other areas (imo).
In other words, if the pope is saying; 'look this bit of the bible is codswallop, you know the bit we get flack for, but the rest is ok,you know the bits we don't get flack for', then how can you be expected to treat any of it seriously?


For what it's worth I couldn't care less if someone is gay, has remarried or uses contraception. I do think the churches historical dealings of paedophiles in the ranks is absolutely reprehensible, disgusting, indefensible, shameful and downright criminal though.

A tricky subject to debate as someone, at some point usually decries any criticism of the Catholic church as anti Catholicism. Pity, as the only way you can effect meaningful change is by shining a light on what needs changing and having meaningfull, grown up debate.

This pope appears as though he is trying to deal with the rotten apples, will he rid the barrel of them though?
 
Ethan said:
Pope Frank said it was 2%, and that was based on a similar figure in the general population, so he was making the point that the prevalence is probably the same in the clergy as the general population. The 2% figure, by the way, is based on people who are attracted to children aged 14 or less, although strictly speaking paedophilia refers to attraction to pre-pubescent children, and the term hebephilia refers to attraction to attraction to children aged 11 to 14. That greys the data because it is thought likely that the prevalence is weighted towards those who are attracted to the older kids compared to pre-pubescent, and the true figure for paedophilia is less than 1%.

I think his point was misinterpreted as an admission that the Church is full of paedos, whereas instead he was trying to convey that he understood that the Church had issues because it reflected some of the norms of the general population.
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A report was saying they have defrocked 52 priests for sexual abuse over the last ten years in the UK with another 31 members being accused of having images of children - 470 abuse allegations but the two organisations dealign with the abuse scandals in this country seemed to be heading the rigth direction ,they have two teachers from my old school but they dont figure in the stats because they were in cloth plus 3 brothers.

Its abroad that seems the most horrific with whole communities effected
 
They already pick and choose which bits to follow and which to ignore, plenty of examples of nonsense in the bible that they don't adhere to. The anti-gay stuff us all about prejudice and bigotry, the religious aspect is nothing more than a convenient excuse.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Wow - i am impressed that you are able to continuely bring up the traditions etc of golf in nearly every thread - surprised you didnt also mention the dress code :rolleyes:

You dont like some of the traditions of dress codes and golf etc - we get it - the point and message has been firmly put across of your distaste for it.
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I'm sorry, I will wont make any jokes this time and will remove my humour gene as there's no place for humour on the modern internet forum.

I think it's terrible that we have an organization ran by an increasingly out of date bunch of mostly old males, whose views on a lot of matters seems to be at odds with large proportions of society in 2014. They seem pig headed when it comes to any meaningful changes and are intent on holding onto power whilst at the same time being seemingly unaware of the fact that their actions are doing long term harm to the very thing they are supposed to be protecting for future generations. But enough about golf clubs...

Oh scheiser, I've done it again..
 
I hope that those with no religious faith can understand that for those who do have faith, such decisions and considerations can be difficult. It is very easy for the former to condemn what can appear anachronistic positions on matters such as homosexuality and gay marriage, but without having a religious faith, that condemnation is made without a full understanding of why the matters are difficult.

I should make clear that I speak as a member of a church which is currently grappling with the issue of gay marriage in our church - and please believe me that it is not easy as society is asking (almost demanding) that many good and caring people put aside long and deeply held beliefs and understandings - even although most of us recognise the need and that scripture and religious teachings are often contradictory on such matters. It is easy for those of no spiritual or religious belief and faith to be disparaging and highly critical - but reconciling our beliefs with what society asks of us today can be difficult.

And though I am not a member of the Catholic church I think it is rather unfair to attack that particular church on it's stance on some matters - they affect most if not all churches (of course I appreciate the dreadful issues and the prevarication and denial around paedophilia in their priesthood is unacceptable). But please also do not condemn outright religious beliefs on the basis of the actions or inaction of some in any particular church.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I hope that those with no religious faith can understand that for those who do have faith, such decisions and considerations can be difficult. It is very easy for the former to condemn what can appear anachronistic positions on matters such as homosexuality and gay marriage, but without having a religious faith, that condemnation is made without a full understanding of why the matters are difficult.

I should make clear that I speak as a member of a church which is currently grappling with the issue of gay marriage in our church - and please believe me that it is not easy as society is asking (almost demanding) that many good and caring people put aside long and deeply held beliefs and understandings - even although most of us recognise the need and that scripture and religious teachings are often contradictory on such matters. It is easy for those of no spiritual or religious belief and faith to be disparaging and highly critical - but reconciling our beliefs with what society asks of us today can be difficult.

And though I am not a member of the Catholic church I think it is rather unfair to attack that particular church on it's stance on some matters - they affect most if not all churches (of course I appreciate the dreadful issues and the prevarication and denial around paedophilia in their priesthood is unacceptable). But please also do not condemn outright religious beliefs on the basis of the actions or inaction of some in any particular church.
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Indeed. I prefer to attack the churches (all of them , equal opportunity) on the simple basis that in a rational world governed by laws of nature and science, the idea of religion and one or more deities controlling it all is utterly absurd and demonstrably false.

I may as well believe in leprechauns at the bottom of the garden, and before you say anything beware, one of them doesn't take criticism too well.

COI: Reared Catholic, now born-again atheist.
 
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