Can you be too keen on the rules ?

[RichA]

Could someone explain why we now have WHS. IT is supposed to make scoring fairer. But then we have 95% and 90% of your handicap on your own Course. ? Why?

Fair point. Why not build it into the HI calculation? Seems silly to have a different handicap for the same tees on the same course depending on the type of social or competition round you're playing. I must be missing something.

 

[chrisd]

Fair point. Why not build it into the HI calculation? Seems silly to have a different handicap for the same tees on the same course depending on the type of social or competition round you're playing. I must be missing something.

That's what many of the people at mine are saying. Why go from one handicap to 3??

 

[need_my_wedge]

It still baffles me as to why I have a WHS handicap, that then adds shots for a playing handicap, and the shots are invariably then taken straight away when playing against someone else or in a comp. My handicap is 14.5, which translates to 16 course handicap on our track. playing off 90% is 14. Might as well just play off my handicap, simples.

 

[Rlburnside]

Fair point. Why not build it into the HI calculation? Seems silly to have a different handicap for the same tees on the same course depending on the type of social or competition round you're playing. I must be missing something.

As I said I think it was done to make it fairer for the low guys, us hackers get a shot/ point taken off us but if your 10h/c and below you generally don’t loose a shot/point.

Mind you if you put a general play score in 95% is still calculated for your score ??‍

 

[Tashyboy]

My understanding was they introduced 95% after studying thousands of rounds and deemed 95% was fairer for low h/cs

This I understand but when the WHS was set up using logarithms etc. surely this should of been taken into account. Reason I mention it is when we have our roll up fiddles. We have players who have a WHS of 15.3, 17.4 at our place, less 95% = 16. Whatever. It just seems a long winded way of seeing how many shot you have.

 

[clubchamp98]

This I understand but when the WHS was set up using logarithms etc. surely this should of been taken into account. Reason I mention it is when we have our roll up fiddles. We have players who have a WHS of 15.3, 17.4 at our place, less 95% = 16. Whatever. It just seems a long winded way of seeing how many shot you have.

Why make something simple when you can make it complicated.
Not all countries use this system.
That’s why WHS is a bit of a joke , it’s not the same everywhere.

 

[clubchamp98]

Maybe so..... However, met loads who should have been!!

Yes so did I , but given a choice of tees and not forcing them to play for handicap off the tips might have made their life a bit easier.
They still struggle to play the whites at mine ,that’s the only avaliable option in the comps.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

This I understand but when the WHS was set up using logarithms etc. surely this should of been taken into account. Reason I mention it is when we have our roll up fiddles. We have players who have a WHS of 15.3, 17.4 at our place, less 95% = 16. Whatever. It just seems a long winded way of seeing how many shot you have.

It only takes a few seconds to work out. Especially if you are doing it at your home course, you should already know the numbers.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It only takes a few seconds to work out. Especially if you are doing it at your home course, you should already know the numbers.

Exactly. I know my home course CH is 11 (same for front and back tees) therefore I know my shots received right now: 10 for singles s/f; 9 for 4BBB Matchplay. No working out or debate on 1st tee required.

 

[Backsticks]

No, there is no such thing as being too keen or a stickler for the rules - you are either playing golf, or you are gaining unfair advantage. This guy wanted an advantage over his opposition that he wasnt due. He may as well have asked that he have mulligans on every hole, but his opposition doesnt. To get in a huff because they wouldnt give him an advantage over them from is nonsense from him.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Could someone explain why we now have WHS. IT is supposed to make scoring fairer. But then we have 95% and 90% of your handicap on your own Course. ? Why?

Well the 90% is because you are playing a differing format - mainly 4BBB , I can’t recall a time where is ever been 100% playing 4BBB - it was 3/4 at one point then went to 80% I believe

the new WHS calculations for 4BBB are a touch complicated - working out playing HC then 100% the difference ( in matchplay ) . Not sure why they didn’t stick with the use the Course Handicap and then the difference is 90 or 80% etc - I suspect people are still working out the shots they get in 4BBB matchplay wrong

As for the 95% - no idea , asked the question many times and given a “it’s how they worked it out” ?‍?‍ Random answers . Doesn’t really affect me but I don’t understand why if your course handicap is 16 you should play of 16 .

 

[rosecott]

As I said I think it was done to make it fairer for the low guys, us hackers get a shot/ point taken off us but if your 10h/c and below you generally don’t loose a shot/point.

Mind you if you put a general play score in 95% is still calculated for your score ??‍

Why would 95% be calculated for a General Play card - it's not a comp? The adjusted gross score just goes straight on to your handicap record at 100%

 

[Tashyboy]

It only takes a few seconds to work out. Especially if you are doing it at your home course, you should already know the numbers.

Not if your handicap goes up or down after a round. I have seen guys ( seniors) stood at our WHS board and you would think they are reading Einsteins theory of relativity.

 

[Tashyboy]

Exactly. I know my home course CH is 11 (same for front and back tees) therefore I know my shots received right now: 10 for singles s/f; 9 for 4BBB Matchplay. No working out or debate on 1st tee required.

Is that including 95% adjustment though ??

 

[Tashyboy]

Why would 95% be calculated for a General Play card - it's not a comp? The adjusted gross score just goes straight on to your handicap record at 100%

Evening Jim. Hope alls well me man. Hopefully you can explain this in layman’s terms.

In a comp you play off 95% coz the WHS logarithm deems it fair for the comp. But if you put in a general score it is at 100% Of your hcap. But both affect your handicap.

 

[Voyager EMH]

It is a shame that EG went for the word "handicap" three times. They don't do this in Australia. The word "handicap" is used only for Playing Handicap for individual strokeplay which they call "Daily Handicap". They go straight from GA Index to Daily Handicap and they have no need for an equivalent to our Course Handicap.
So we could have called ours,
EG Index
Slope Adjusted Index
Playing Handicap

This might have caused far less confusion. I've heard that there is nowhere near as much confusion in Australia as here.

You need a handicap when playing with and against others - this will always be the correct playing handicap for the format of play.
When returning scores for handicap assessment and adjustment there is a nett double bogey limit according to your Slope Adjusted Index

 

[Griffsters]

Evening Jim. Hope alls well me man. Hopefully you can explain this in layman’s terms.

In a comp you play off 95% coz the WHS logarithm deems it fair for the comp. But if you put in a general score it is at 100% Of your hcap. But both affect your handicap.

The score differential is worked out from your CH not PH - the PH is only used for the comp

 

[Rlburnside]

Why would 95% be calculated for a General Play card - it's not a comp? The adjusted gross score just goes straight on to your handicap record at 100%

Ok my mistake I thought I asked on here before and was told it was 95% for general play rounds, must be getting old ?

 

[Steve Wilkes]

Ok my mistake I thought I asked on here before and was told it was 95% for general play rounds, must be getting old ?

For General Play rounds do you really need to work out out a Course Handicap or Playing Handicap, just enter your scores and the app will take care of your 'adjusted net differential'

 

[rosecott]

Evening Jim. Hope alls well me man. Hopefully you can explain this in layman’s terms.

In a comp you play off 95% coz the WHS logarithm deems it fair for the comp. But if you put in a general score it is at 100% Of your hcap. But both affect your handicap.

Tash, what goes into your WHS record is 100% of your gross scores - with any necessary adjustments down to nett double bogey - whether it's a singles comp or a General Play card.