Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Fade and Die]

Or another ref?

Why?

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Gaining the support of just over half a population and ignoring the rest is very dangerous and divisive by its nature.

Substitute "constituency" for "population ", and that is what happens in every
Parliamentary election, General or By.
And sometimes, even less than half.

 

[Beezerk]

If that is the case then Boris will be grinning. What do Labour, Lib Dems etc do about an election request at that point? The reason for objecting disappears.

Blimey politics is moving quickly right now.

Yes, it looks like it could be the get out of jail card for Boris, unless he knew in advance an extension would not happen?
I foresee another commons vote to overturn an EU ruling and Gina Miller to start yet another court case

 

[Swinglowandslow]

He doesn't have to BE impartial!

He just has to ACT impartially in his rile as Speaker!

He wouldn't be in politics if he really was impartial

While my view is that the only way Brexit will happen is via the No Deal clause of Article 50, I find it obscene that BoJo (perhaps Bozo would be a better abbreviation!) has acted the way he has wrt 'dissenters' in his party. Reading her tweet and resignation letter, that appears, to me, to be the main reason she resigned from Cabinet - and the Party!

Re your last sentence, could it be, rather, that she has been informed that come a GE, she would not be selected as a candidate? She is a remainer, is she not?

 

[Foxholer]

Re your last sentence, could it be, rather, that she has been informed that come a GE, she would not be selected as a candidate? She is a remainer, is she not?

Perhaps, but that sentence still stands!

 

[Hitdaball]

Substitute "constituency" for "population ", and that is what happens in every
Parliamentary election, General or By.
And sometimes, even less than half.

No it isn’t. For a start its rare for any party to get 50% of the vote 😂.

Parties don’t stand in GE’s on policies from the extremes of their spectrum, they stand typically in the middle ground to appeal to as broad a spectrum as possible. Ignoring the middle ground just results in electoral defeat ( as running a new referendum now with revoke or no deal as the only 2 choices would likely result in a win for revoke)

 

[drdel]

No it isn’t. For a start its rare for any party to get 50% of the vote 😂.

Parties don’t stand in GE’s on policies from the extremes of their spectrum, they stand typically in the middle ground to appeal to as broad a spectrum as possible. Ignoring the middle ground just results in electoral defeat ( as running a new referendum now with revoke or no deal as the only 2 choices would likely result in a win for revoke)

Except that Labour will not include the No Deal option in a referendum rerun.

 

[Taz]

Just reading that France are going to vote against another Brexit extension

was this the quote ?
France’s foreign minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, asked if an extension beyond October 31 was possible
“We are not going to do (extend) this every three months…”

doesn't say they wont extend but could be last chance saloon, with them wanting to fix the EU budget

 

[Taz]

Except that Labour will not include the No Deal option in a referendum rerun.

That was last weeks position

 

[Beezerk]

was this the quote ?
France’s foreign minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, asked if an extension beyond October 31 was possible
“We are not going to do (extend) this every three months…”

doesn't say they wont extend but could be last chance saloon, with them wanting to fix the EU budget

Yes that's the one, the headline of the article made it sound much more certain.
Interesting times, I think the fact that other countries politicians are effectively having a big say in the future of our nation says a lot.

 

[Hobbit]

Trying to negotiate a way to leave and being let down previously by the Tories not clubbing together is not ignoring the majority completely.

Leaving is, in theory, easy. "Bye, we're off."

I expected that it would be a clean break, with the trade arrangements negotiated thereafter. And if you look at May's deal, there's nothing in it remotely like a trade deal, access etc. The divorce bill I don't have have a problem with, other than "there you go, here's all the money." There's elements of that sum that aren't accurately calculated, as listed in May's agreement. It says the total will be accurately sought each year going forward.

Add to that extra monies will be paid right up to 2028.

I feel that by trying to sort a deal has actually been counter-productive in terms of leaving.

 

[Foxholer]

Yes that's the one, the headline of the article made it sound much more certain...

Surely you are not surprised that the news media bend the truth - at least in headlines!

 

[Beezerk]

Surely you are not surprised that the news media bend the truth - at least in headlines!

Not at all lol.

 

[robinthehood]

I'd have to agree. The notion that the vote has been ignored is odd seeing as we have talked about nothing else for 3 years and would actually have left in march if it wasn't for the ERG, but no, lets blame everyone else.

Exactly , I remember when the erg rejected mays deal I posted on here that by doing so they had pretty much cancelled brexit as that was their best chance. Pretty ridiculous listening to all the moaning about it being the fault of Corbyn etc .
The mess we are in is 100% conservative.

 

[drdel]

That was last weeks position

Aye, he repeated it to Andrew Marr this morning.

 

[Taz]

Exactly , I remember when the erg rejected mays deal I posted on here that by doing so they had pretty much cancelled brexit as that was their best chance. Pretty ridiculous listening to all the moaning about it being the fault of Corbyn etc .

 

[robinthehood]

Please don't quote me with alterations

 

[Taz]

Please don't quote me with alterations

Apologies, retracted.

 

[Old Skier]

Just reading that France are going to vote against another Brexit extension

They will do what the Germans tell them

 

[Leftie]

Let’s take a stab at the EU tax avoidance directive that comes into effect in 2020. Who do we think would lose from that- the working/middle class or those like JRM with a £50m inherited fortune. ?

Let’s start here then Leftie. Do you agree we should have Tax avoidance regulation strengthened and on balance do you think the EU or the Tories are more likely to do so? And do you think that stopping such laws coming into force has any impact on those politicians and money men pursuing Brexit at any cost?

I’ll give you a starter for 10

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...-as-eu-tax-avoidance-legislation-looms/03/09/

Perhaps you can help me out further. I really can't be bothered to read each and every link people post here to support their position. Please just tell me, as a retiree on a (slightly enhanced) state pension, in what way will this benefit me. several millions like me, and the country as a whole, in the short and long term?