Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

Lest say net wealth in excess of £2m. Or you just pick a number. Enough money that paying clever weasels to find ways of squirrelling money and profits away from taxation is an option and feasible. The sort of thing that JRM and Arron Banks do. For instance.

The EU method, pluck a figure any figure.

 

[Hitdaball]

The EU method, pluck a figure any figure.

Jesus you really just are a troll aren’t you?

 

[Old Skier]

The EU method, pluck a figure any figure.

No, you appear to be, or give us this figure.

 

[Foxholer]

The EU method, pluck a figure any figure.

No, you appear to be, or give us this figure.

 

[Old Skier]

 

[Blue in Munich]

We (Boris) can ask them to extend. And if they approve, then (perhaps) fine and a 'better' deal could be ngotiated. If not then Boris can smile as he reports back their refusal!

FH, you get it, I get it; we can ask, but if they say no we are out. The point of my post was to counter the assertion made elsewhere that because we've passed a law we automatically stay in; we don't unless they say so.

 

[Old Skier]

Seems like it might be gaining momentum @SILH https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...delay-unless-deadlock-is-broken-a4231666.html, I wonder if it makes the BBC 2200 hrs news.

 

[Hitdaball]

No, you appear to be, or give us this figure.

What point are you trying to prove?

That you either have enough wealth to benefit from tax evasion or you just don’t care about those who do?

 

[Leftie]

It would mean rich folk would have to pay more tax in the countries in which they earn money which would then contribute more to the state funds so that better services for pensioners can be provided, even if those same pensioners seemingly can’t be arsed to read up and understand it.

You are probably right. If we stay in the EU, I can see that we will need to find every penny we can to finance the (probable) increasing contributions that we will have to make to the EU coffers. I'm not against the idea and am pleased for you if you think that this will be a long term benefit to the UK and a reason to stay in the EU. And just how much revenue do you think that this will bring in? Comparatively peanuts methinks

Better services for pensioners? Yeh! Right!!

 

[Foxholer]

Define rich. I'm not rich living in this country but I would be considered well of in many EU countries.

Those who deem it worth their while to utilise 'tax avoidance' schemes.

Note: 'Tax Avoidance' is perfectly legal - unless/until found to be illegal. Tax evasion, on the other hand, is always illegal!

 

[Fade and Die]

Otherwise how do you resolve this mess?? GE is unlikely to give a clear mandate, WA is opposed by MPs, Now the EU say no to an extension (about time) .. so the only option is no deal (which no remainer and some leavers don’t want)

Only another ref will give you a clear mandate ...

At this moment in time I think a GE will give a very clear mandate to Boris to No Deal. The clue is Corbyn, B.Liar and all the rest running scared of it!

 

[harpo_72]

You are probably right. If we stay in the EU, I can see that we will need to find every penny we can to finance the (probable) increasing contributions that we will have to make to the EU coffers. I'm not against the idea and am pleased for you if you think that this will be a long term benefit to the UK and a reason to stay in the EU. And just how much revenue do you think that this will bring in? Comparatively peanuts methinks

Better services for pensioners? Yeh! Right!!

Just out of interest did you care about pensioners before you became one?
We have had years in this country where parties have not supported social services purely to give reduced tax rates and win votes... so moaning about it now is a little bit like closing the gate after the horse has bolted.

Pretty much like the leaver claiming that all these decisions were made without their say .. did the government actually participate in Europe, did they offer up solutions to the debates .. nah they did sweet fanny Adams, but we all voted for these governments because we got a small tax benefit etc .. hence the leaver statement is only worth a “ ah poppet, never mind “

 

[Leftie]

Just out of interest did you care about pensioners before you became one?
We have had years in this country where parties have not supported social services purely to give reduced tax rates and win votes... so moaning about it now is a little bit like closing the gate after the horse has bolted.

Pretty much like the leaver claiming that all these decisions were made without their say .. did the government actually participate in Europe, did they offer up solutions to the debates .. nah they did sweet fanny Adams, but we all voted for these governments because we got a small tax benefit etc .. hence the leaver statement is only worth a “ ah poppet, never mind “

Actually yes. My father and grandfather were pensioners before me. Unfortunately the women in the family died before they could take a pension much to the delight, I'm sure, of the insurance companies and govt.

I thought that this particular meander of the thread was about the (alleged) long term benefit to the UK of the EU stopping tax evasion. I think that you may have have imbibed a little more than me tonight

 

[SocketRocket]

You can have as many Brexit supporters in Brussels as you like and it won't make a blind bit of difference to how the EU operates or whether laws are passed. Laws there aren't made on the shop floor, and none of the shop floor workers get to propose laws. Everything comes from the EU Commission, made up of 28 commissioners. And the qualified majority rules mean that there isn't the need anymore for unanimous votes.

For all the bleating about federalism and centralising power away from the member states, its even happening in the EU Parliament with the limited powers of MEP's becoming even more limited.

I heard something on the news where the UK Government could refuse to appoint a UK Commisioner to the EU and this would negate the Commission from functioning under its constitution.

 

[SocketRocket]

Just out of interest did you care about pensioners before you became one?
We have had years in this country where parties have not supported social services purely to give reduced tax rates and win votes... so moaning about it now is a little bit like closing the gate after the horse has bolted.

Pretty much like the leaver claiming that all these decisions were made without their say .. did the government actually participate in Europe, did they offer up solutions to the debates .. nah they did sweet fanny Adams, but we all voted for these governments because we got a small tax benefit etc .. hence the leaver statement is only worth a “ ah poppet, never mind “

I believe the UK Government have participated in EU matters and have been a constraining hand in many cases.

 

[Hitdaball]

And just how much revenue do you think that this will bring in? Comparatively peanuts methinks

Better services for pensioners? Yeh! Right!!

Tax avoidance and evasion are estimated to cost the UK about £7bn per year, not too much short of the UKs net contribution to the EU in 2018.

 

[Foxholer]

Tax avoidance and evasion are estimated to cost the UK about £7bn per year, not too much short of the UKs net contribution to the EU in 2018.

1. See my post re the difference between avoidance and evasion!
2. There have been/are many 'avoidance' schemes that are actually created by government as cost-effective methods of boosting areas of the economy that are deemed 'worth promoting'!

 

[SocketRocket]

Tax avoidance and evasion are estimated to cost the UK about £7bn per year, not too much short of the UKs net contribution to the EU in 2018.

Tax avoidance is not a crime. Do you pay more tax than you need to, if you had a small business would you employ an accountant to advise and minimise your tax bill or would you pay as much as you possibly could.

 

[Foxholer]

Tax avoidance is not a crime. Do you pay more tax than you need to, if you had a small business would you employ an accountant to advise and minimise your tax bill or would you pay as much as you possibly could.

Forget the 'small'!

If you run a large business, you are possibly/probably breaking the law if you DON'T minimise tax!

 

[clubchamp98]

Forget the 'small'!

If you run a large business, you are possibly/probably breaking the law if you DON'T minimise tax!

How can you break the law by NOT doing something that’s NOT ILLEGAL.