Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Foxholer]

How can you break the law by NOT doing something that’s NOT ILLEGAL.

Because, under certain circumstances, it IS illegal!

 

[Blue in Munich]

How can you break the law by NOT doing something that’s NOT ILLEGAL.

Wild uneducated guess, if you are answerable to shareholders and you are failing to maximise their benefit then could that be a failure of a duty in company law?

 

[IanM]

So, the Remainers in Parliament want the PM to negotiate by, “removing any leaver he has to negotiate!”

Actually, they just want to stay in and are doing everything to make sure we do

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Latest Survation poll has Leave/No Deal at 22%
Trying to ruin the UK to please less than a quarter of mainly English right wing extremists is BJ's plan

 

[IanM]

88% of stats are made up on the spot...

Trying to find anyone quoting 22% saying Leave. Failing so far. Wonder why Boris is so keen on a GE if so few back him? Even bbc have him miles head of the IRA/Hamas Candidate

Or, Are you saying only 22% want No Deal?

 

[patricks148]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...jNuV7cdk6nCmyw27LMiYBrZEk5XU091AN3-vOex10tfBU

easy to see why some of the hard brixiters are so keen to leave the EU

 

[Hitdaball]

Those who deem it worth their while to utilise 'tax avoidance' schemes.

Note: 'Tax Avoidance' is perfectly legal - unless/until found to be illegal. Tax evasion, on the other hand, is always illegal!

At which point did I say tax avoidance isn’t legal?

Tax avoidance is not a crime. Do you pay more tax than you need to, if you had a small business would you employ an accountant to advise and minimise your tax bill or would you pay as much as you possibly could.

I didn’t say anywhere that tax avoidance was a crime, try to play the ball not the man once in while.

It looks like you are not fussed about it, fair enough I wouldn’t expect anything different to be honest.

 

[Hitdaball]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/p...jNuV7cdk6nCmyw27LMiYBrZEk5XU091AN3-vOex10tfBU

easy to see why some of the hard brixiters are so keen to leave the EU

I posted that link a while ago , it was ignored then and it will likely be ignored now.

 

[Old Skier]

What point are you trying to prove?

That you either have enough wealth to benefit from tax evasion or you just don’t care about those who do?

I wish. I'm just after clarification. Remainers are always asking for proof/facts/figures so I'm sure you could put more detail on the subject.

 

[Mudball]

At this moment in time I think a GE will give a very clear mandate to Boris to No Deal. The clue is Corbyn, B.Liar and all the rest running scared of it!

Really!! T-May thought of that idea too.. and then lost her majority. GE does not solve anything
1) Tory majority (unlikely).. in theory allows BoJo to go ahead. BUT some of the Tories don’t want no deal so, it is unlikely to go ahead

2) hung parliament (highly likely).. situation does not change and it’s just musical chairs

3) Labour majority (unlikely).. does anyone know what it stands for? So no progress

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On the other hand, do a Ref 2 .. i know folks will say it is splitting Leave vote.. so alternate suggestions

Q1) do you want to Stay or Leave

In or Out

Q2) if you choose Leave, how should we leave

Current WA or No-Deal

Then follow that with an information campaign on benefits/drawbacks of Staying, current WA or No Deal .. let’s have an informed campaign not fear, stockpile and poo-pile

 

[Old Skier]

No mention on the BBC Breakfast programme at present on the EU's position on leaving on the 31st. Rather strange as it was seen as "news" on other media outlets.

 

[Old Skier]

Really!! T-May thought of that idea too.. and then lost her majority. GE does not solve anything
1) Tory majority (unlikely).. in theory allows BoJo to go ahead. BUT some of the Tories don’t want no deal so, it is unlikely to go ahead

2) hung parliament (highly likely).. situation does not change and it’s just musical chairs

3) Labour majority (unlikely).. does anyone know what it stands for? So no progress

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On the other hand, do a Ref 2 .. i know folks will say it is splitting Leave vote.. so alternate suggestions

Q1) do you want to Stay or Leave

In or Out

Q2) if you choose Leave, how should we leave

Current WA or No-Deal

Then follow that with an information campaign on benefits/drawbacks of Staying, current WA or No Deal .. let’s have an informed campaign not fear, stockpile and poo-pile

How will a referendum solve the fact that the Gov or the opposition has no majority in Parliament and would not be able to get any legislation through parliament.

 

[Hitdaball]

I wish. I'm just after clarification. Remainers are always asking for proof/facts/figures so I'm sure you could put more detail on the subject.

I guess you will be delighted then with the detail provided whilst you slept your meds off. 😬

 

[Old Skier]

I guess you will be delighted then with the detail provided whilst you slept your meds off. 😬

So that's your response when asked for the facts and you call me a troll. Good to know.

 

[Fade and Die]

Really!! T-May thought of that idea too.. and then lost her majority. GE does not solve anything
1) Tory majority (unlikely).. in theory allows BoJo to go ahead. BUT some of the Tories don’t want no deal so, it is unlikely to go ahead

2) hung parliament (highly likely).. situation does not change and it’s just musical chairs

3) Labour majority (unlikely).. does anyone know what it stands for? So no progress

—
On the other hand, do a Ref 2 .. i know folks will say it is splitting Leave vote.. so alternate suggestions

Q1) do you want to Stay or Leave

In or Out

Q2) if you choose Leave, how should we leave

Current WA or No-Deal

Then follow that with an information campaign on benefits/drawbacks of Staying, current WA or No Deal .. let’s have an informed campaign not fear, stockpile and poo-pile

With the way the MPs have been behaving it is impossible to predict accurately how the public will vote but with the Conservatives nailing its colours to the mast it will attract most of the leavers... up north in areas that would never vote conservative I think The Brexit party will do well. Leading to a coalition of the Tory’s and Brexiters.
The remainers vote will go where? Labour? Er not sure, Lib Dem’s? Maybe.


As for your Referendum idea it’s all a bit DEJA-POO...that feeling you have heard this crap before! 💩

 

[woody69]

I wish. I'm just after clarification. Remainers are always asking for proof/facts/figures so I'm sure you could put more detail on the subject.

What detail do you require? The full directive is here - http://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-6661-2017-INIT/en/pdf if you wish to read it.

And here is a summary on the Government website - https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...companies-and-eu-anti-tax-avoidance-directive

The objective of the directive is to ensure that corporations are paying their fair share of tax

 

[ColchesterFC]

Tax avoidance and evasion are estimated to cost the UK about £7bn per year, not too much short of the UKs net contribution to the EU in 2018.

How much of that £7 billion is tax evasion and how much is tax avoidance? With the avoidance part being totally legal it's only the money from the evasion that is important. If £6.5 billion is from avoidance then it's only £0.5 billion that the government could actually benefit from to improve services.

And even using your figure £7 billion, while it might look like a big number, in the grand scheme of things when you look at the budget for the NHS being £134 billion this year it's really not that much. Take out the legal avoidance part of your number and it's even less.

 

[User62651]

So today it becomes UK law that we cant leave with No Deal from EU on 31/10, yes?

So if an A50 extension is vetoed by France and so is not granted by EU what happens then? Are we out with No Deal (illegal?) or revoke A50 and stay in (legal?).

Maybe Macron figures if he forces the issue by vetoing an extension and Boris can't get a GE before 31/10 UKs only legal position is revoke A50?

 

[clubchamp98]

Wild uneducated guess, if you are answerable to shareholders and you are failing to maximise their benefit then could that be a failure of a duty in company law?

Yes see that but would it be illegal?
Surely something perfectly legal dosnt become illegal because you dont do it.
That just dosnt sound right.
But our tax laws are a minefield.

 

[chrisd]

So today it becomes UK law that we cant leave with No Deal from EU on 31/10, yes?

So if an A50 extension is vetoed by France and so is not granted by EU what happens then? Are we out with No Deal (illegal?) or revoke A50 and stay in (legal?).

Maybe Macron figures if he forces the issue by vetoing an extension and Boris can't get a GE before 31/10 UKs only legal position is revoke A50?

I'd think that the action of others (Macron) would nullify the new law, if Boris cant get a deal or an extension it cant render him liable to imprisonment surely