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More twaddle as far as I know, at least by public figures! But I'd be happy to retract if you can prove otherwise!
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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clubchamp98
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So as I understand it, Corbyn after constantly bleating for years to have a GE may vote Not to have one now?
No wonder politicians are regarded as low as they are.
No wonder politicians are regarded as low as they are.
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So I have heard snippets on the radio so can someone give me a layman’s review of what has happened ?
The government has lost their majority now ? So what does that mean for the Brexit process etc ?
Are we heading for another ref vote or another GE or both ?!
The government has lost their majority now ? So what does that mean for the Brexit process etc ?
Are we heading for another ref vote or another GE or both ?!
ger147
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No-one knows...
Doon frae Troon
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Taz
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Not even the experts know :
Here is the paradox that is doing my head in. Later tonight, when up to 20 odd Tories are stripped of the Tory whip,
minority in parliament will go from minus 2 to minus a lot. He will have no control of parliament. And yet his attempt tomorrow to hold a... general election on 14 October may flop. None of this makes any sense. Chaos. Madness
ger147
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Also kinda makes a mockery of the whole opposition holding the government to account principle. That won't really be happening as the opposition will effectively be in control of the HoC's with the government unable to govern in the normal way i.e. via a parliamentary majority. I don't really see the idea of the government holding the opposition to account having any legs...
ColchesterFC
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I'm sure that BBC were reporting earlier that the government can get around the fixed term parliament act by bringing a one line bill that says something like " not withstanding the FTPA we will be having an election on (insert date)". I assume that will happen if they can't get the 2/3 majority needed to approve one.
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You could well be right on not leaving but no-one really knows, see how this HoC vote goes later and move on.
PM in a dreadful position but he wangled for years for the job undermining both Cameron and then May.
It is sad, I agree, but no matter which way it turns out in the end.
Think any GE has to be after another extension agreed from EU, otherwise too much mistrust to get it approved by 2/3rds. BJ absolutely saying 31st do or die was a red line that could backfire.
Letwin summing up well just now in Commons..
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So the questions are.
Why are a lot of the MP’s trying to block leaving the EU with no deal ?
Are they doing it because they think it’s what is best for the country ?
Are the MP’s doing what we vote them in for ?
Do they think the population should be asked - do we still want to leave and what way should we leave ?
Or is it just looking after themselves
Why are a lot of the MP’s trying to block leaving the EU with no deal ?
Are they doing it because they think it’s what is best for the country ?
Are the MP’s doing what we vote them in for ?
Do they think the population should be asked - do we still want to leave and what way should we leave ?
Or is it just looking after themselves
Fade and Die
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Don’t know Phil, but who said this.....?
“Whether you favour Britain being in or out, we surely should all be able to agree on the simple principle that the decision over our membership should be taken by the British people… For too long, powers have been handed to Brussels over [the British people’s] heads. For too long, their voice on Europe has not been heard. This bill puts that right. It delivers the simple in/out referendum that we promised…â€
robinthehood
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It was the self serving Tory party that got us into this mess in the first place. The referendum was a stupid idea.
Not sure we can still access Delc’s posts
Imurg
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So when is Cameron going to be tried for crimes against the State..?
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Don’t know but doesn’t really answer what I said and it’s just the statement of one person ?
Jamesbrown
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Knock yourself out. Madmen these remainers are. Obsessed with the union.
I think different MP's are blocking leaving with No Deal for different reasons. Some believe its in the best interests of the country, and some are doing it for their belief in partisan politics. Labour probably being the best ever example of fence sitters ever, and are, in the main, angling to bring down the government under their own terms. They campaigned on a very solid Leave mandate in their last manifesto, yet are now very much a Remain party... I think, possibly, maybe. While I very much believe Corbyn is anti-EU. With many of Labour's northern constituencies being Leave, Labour are playing with fire.
The country needs a working government, and the people need closure of this mess whatever way it goes. A GE is the only solid answer. Carry on as the UK is currently doing and there will be no resolution. Get a party in with a solid majority and there's a working government needed to move on. Let them campaign with Brexit being one of their manifesto pledges, and it needs to be a clear pledge, not the wishy-washy version Labour are currently running with. In effect, the GE will be the people choosing what they want.
Blue in Munich
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They are claiming that it is for the good of the nation, however it is my belief that as the majority of them are retainers then the real motive is self serving. It appears that Hammond has been going to the EU behind everyone's backs; is that the actions of someone acting in our bests interests, or the actions of a quisling? I know which one I think it is.
What I don't understand is why these supposedly intelligent people don't realise that if you take No Deal off the table you make negotiating any decent deal nigh on impossible.
Fade and Die
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Those words were spoken by Philip Hammond , Foreign Secretary in David Cameron’s government when introducing the referendum bill in the House of Commons. The same Philip Hammond who is now leading the charge against a so-called ‘no deal’ Brexit.
I posted it to highlight how untrustworthy our current MPs are and in reply to your post re MPs. They are snakes of the highest order who only look to serve themselves.
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