woody69
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Not really. As I previously said most of the Tory 'rebels' voted in favour of May's Withdrawal Agreement. (And if the ERG had done the same, the UK would already have left.)
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Did you not read what I said - I do not want to hear any more Project Fear tripe coming from Leave voters. We need proper information and acceptance of issues from the government.
My wife's fears are real and the government denies any real risk or potential issues - and says airdrops for drugs...? really? What the hell is that about. Where were we told that?
Publish the risk assessments and be damned. Leaving on No Deal is the Will of the People my backside.
An utter disgrace of a situation the country is now in - an obsession with leaving on 31/10 exacerbated by what in other situations or with an individual would be considered an unhealthy obsession and one that would be abnormal. That leaving on 31/10 is being pursued by the government with a fanatical obsession should surely be disturbing to all of us - but no - Leave supporters are happy to o along with this utter madness - dismissing along the way as Project Fear any and all concerns raised. How callous. How sad.
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Parsaregood
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Air drops ? They wont be parachuting pharmaceuticals in. They can get them in no problem by air if need be, the very fact that people are saying this is project fear by remainers. More than the EU produce medicines, there will not be people dying because of the EU. I'm sure we can say this for a fact.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Really - but you are not certain. There you go. But you are right - but there might be some dying as a result of the actions of the UK. You couldn't actually give a monkeys as long as we leave on 31/10.
You think leave voters can get angry - well so can those of us with great concerns about the impact on us all and others of leaving with No Deal.
And I am out of this again - I am frankly sick to the teeth of our government and sort of blind support they are getting from so many.
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Colonel Bogey
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An utter disgrace of a situation the country is now in - an obsession with leaving on 31/10[/QUOTE]
Ahem, you seem to have a head of steam up and have forgotten that we were supposed to have left on the 31st March !!!!!!
Ahem, you seem to have a head of steam up and have forgotten that we were supposed to have left on the 31st March !!!!!!
chrisd
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The "so many" might possibly be the majority of voters who voted leave, and whose wishes are being ignored by the politicians who were commanded by them to get us out of the EU
I understand your concerns but you need to do a bit of research and try and ally your wife's concerns. The UK have put plans in place to ensure emergency flights out of Maastricht purely for medical supplies, and that's aside of the new ferry routes purely for food and medical supplies, should it be necessary. All the info is out there if you look for it.
Taz
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Taz
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Intel from govt source re the rebel meeting. Says of Hammond: "He explicitly mentioned EU legal services and their advice on this bill. The very clear implication from his comments was that his involvement in drafting the bill had been done in conjunction with the Commission"
I don't think any of us are unbiased, nor am I sure of our intelligence.
Gut feel. The Oliver Letwin/Corbyn amendment will go through comfortably. The UK govt will attempt to call an election but the new-ish fixed term parliament bill won't let them do it without parliamentary approval, which I expect Labour will not support = a puppet govt, with the "shop floor bossing the management."
A complete and utter mess.
Parsaregood
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Hammond is in bed with the EU Commission, of that there is no doubt. Also who is funding Gina Miller. Has there been a mention of the source of her money
Taz
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drdel
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I'm sure everyone on the Forum sympathises and empathises with you and your wife's concerns. I think you will find that the issue is recognised and well understood by the drugs companies and medical professionals. It is unfair to claim no one gives a monkey's about your wife because we disagree on a logistics issue due to Brexit.
I'll bet there will be solutions in place.
Doon frae Troon
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One hopes the government planning on air supplies is a bit better than the sea routes.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...-brexit-ferries-contract-cancelled/ar-BBTmsVp
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User62651
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Does it stay like that, kicking the brexit can down the road until 2022 when we must have another GE?
Taz
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As I understand it, if on Wednesday Labour blocks 14 October general election as
@jeremycorbyn
implies it will,
@BorisJohnson
would find a way to bring back the vote on Thursday and has a device such that he would only require simple majority - not two-thirds - to secure election
@jeremycorbyn
implies it will,
@BorisJohnson
would find a way to bring back the vote on Thursday and has a device such that he would only require simple majority - not two-thirds - to secure election
woody69
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That just says, if the EU proposes an extension we have 2 days to agree to it, or not. If we don't obviously there is no extension and we leave.
Taz
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Sources say that in his meeting with the Prime Minister this morning, Philip Hammond let it slip in the heat of the argument that he had received legal advice. Speaking in the heat of the moment in a fiery conversation, the former Chancellor cracked out the line “well the EU’s legal department have told me…†when defending his decision to in effect vote no confidence in the Government. It was suspected by many Brexiteers that he was working in concert with Barnier, bold of Hammond to just come out and say it…
So basically the EU are never going to negotiate and if we can't get no deal through we're going to be stuck in Brexit time warp for ever....
So basically the EU are never going to negotiate and if we can't get no deal through we're going to be stuck in Brexit time warp for ever....
Do you believe that nothing at all will enter the country for 3-4 months after we actually leave? For the first 1-3 weeks I can see problems at Dover and perhaps one or two other ports. It may delay a vehicle by a day or two but products will still move in or out. Tablets have a very long shelf life, they will not go off due to a 2 day delay at the Tunnel and the NHS will be holding a great stock than a few days worth. In a worst case scenario they will fly them into an airport where they deal with customs documents every day in volume and there will be no delay.
The only areas of concern, IMO, are fresh produce and companies working with JIT systems. If you think logically the rest will all be manageable. That people are using medicine to scaremonger is pretty appalling.
If the amendment goes through, and Boris is stopped from calling an election, the amendment is clear. Boris must go to the EU and ask for an extension.
And if the rumours are true about Hammond's meeting/advice from the EU, the EU will grant it. After that, the EU controls the UK/Brexit process till at least the next election, whenever that is.
Bearing in mind the EU won't reopen the WA nor move on the Backstop, and the MP's won't back the WA you tell me what will happen.
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