Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 18121]

So in the event that a general election gets called..... Who the hell commands your vote?

MPs have really shown us what they're made of over the last few years. They aren't fit for purpose. They lie. They cheat and whether you like it or not they may or may not accept the result of a democratic vote because they don't like it.

What a country we live in.

 

[Hobbit]

So in the event that a general election gets called..... Who the hell commands your vote?

MPs have really shown us what they're made of over the last few years. They aren't fit for purpose. They lie. They cheat and whether you like it or not they may or may not accept the result of a democratic vote because they don't like it.

What a country we live in.

If I lived in the UK I'd be doing what I always do. Read the manifesto for the parties. Listen to any meat to those manifesto pledges and then choose who I'd vote for. The GE is about far more than Brexit.

 

[Dando]

Jezzer was calling for an election yesterday wasn't he?

He’ll deny all knowledge of it just like the funeral he didn’t attend

 

[Imurg]

If I lived in the UK I'd be doing what I always do. Read the manifesto for the parties. Listen to any meat to those manifesto pledges and then choose who I'd vote for. The GE is about far more than Brexit.

But will it be..?
They often get hijacked by whoever is in charge of a particular party and many people end up voting for the guy (or gal) in charge rather than actually looking at their local candidates.
Brexit will be top of the agenda on every manifesto

 

[Jamesbrown]

PM can't call an election on their own any more. Fixed Term Parliaments Act means 2/3's of the Commons needs to vote in favour of it.

I think I read that he can call a no confidence vote on himself and get one that way and not requiring the 2/3s.

 

[Jamesbrown]

So in the event that a general election gets called..... Who the hell commands your vote?

MPs have really shown us what they're made of over the last few years. They aren't fit for purpose. They lie. They cheat and whether you like it or not they may or may not accept the result of a democratic vote because they don't like it.

What a country we live in.

As a Conservative party member, not the conservatives at this rate!
Sir Farages band will get my vote if there’s an MP standing.

 

[ger147]

I think I read that he can call a no confidence vote on himself and get one that way and not requiring the 2/3s.

He would need to lose the no confidence vote. The same as his call for a GE, the opposition i.e. Labour, won't play ball and vote against him in any such vote ahead of the legislation they want to introduce to block a No Deal Brexit.

 

[drdel]

So Letwin claims the PM has been too threatening towards the EU, same guy who objected to T May at the opposite end of the spectrum.

True to form Bercow laughs at Peter Bone for objecting to the motion.

Do these people realise the damage this does to the UK's reputation?

 

[ColchesterFC]

PM can't call an election on their own any more. Fixed Term Parliaments Act means 2/3's of the Commons needs to vote in favour of it.

Further info on calling a GE that I didn't know in my earlier post.......

"From the government's point of view, the problem with needing two-thirds of MPs to support an early election is that it would require the backing of Labour MPs. Senior Labour figures say this is unlikely at the moment. But it's not impossible for a government to get round this requirement. It could be achieved by introducing a very short law that calls for an election and adds "notwithstanding the Fixed Term Parliaments Act". This would remove the two-thirds requirement. This would be easier to pass as it would only require a simple majority of MPs to support it."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49004486

So a simple majority needed rather than the 2/3.

 

[Blue in Munich]

So Letwin claims the PM has been too threatening towards the EU, same guy who objected to T May at the opposite end of the spectrum.

True to form Bercow laughs at Peter Bone for objecting to the motion.

Do these people realise the damage this does to the UK's reputation?

Do they even care? They are that insulated from real life and consider themselves that untouchable that I don't believe they do.

 

[Taz]

You couldn't make this shot up could you

https://twitter.com/x/status/1168976706683711494

 

[Blue in Munich]

You couldn't make this shot up could you

https://twitter.com/x/status/1168976706683711494

If this was any other job they'd be sacked for gross incompetence.

 

[clubchamp98]

But will it be..?
They often get hijacked by whoever is in charge of a particular party and many people end up voting for the guy (or gal) in charge rather than actually looking at their local candidates.
Brexit will be top of the agenda on every manifesto

Boris
Jezza
Swinson
Farage

Oh dear this is supposed to be the cream.

 

[Taz]

Peston...
I have belatedly worked out that
@BorisJohnson
can and probably will accept the legislation delaying Brexit as the price of going to the country in a general election. Because he would campaign on a manifesto of leaving the EU on 31 October. So if he wins the clear... commons majority he seeks, he could repeal that legislation in a single day before 31 October and could insist Lords do not block repeal (because repeal would be in Tory manifesto). So we are heading for a general election as a proxy for a referendum, with Tories campaigning... to Brexit - deal or no deal - on 31 October. I really can't see how Labour could refuse to sanction and fight an election on those terms.

 

[ger147]

Further info on calling a GE that I didn't know in my earlier post.......

"From the government's point of view, the problem with needing two-thirds of MPs to support an early election is that it would require the backing of Labour MPs. Senior Labour figures say this is unlikely at the moment. But it's not impossible for a government to get round this requirement. It could be achieved by introducing a very short law that calls for an election and adds "notwithstanding the Fixed Term Parliaments Act". This would remove the two-thirds requirement. This would be easier to pass as it would only require a simple majority of MPs to support it."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49004486

So a simple majority needed rather than the 2/3.

Two issues with that idea:

1) If tonight's motion is passed the the government doesn't get to decide what legislation is introduced, the opposition decides.

2) Boris no longer has a majority of any sort, he now leads a minority government. So even a simple majority vote in favour of an election is a considerable stretch for Boris to achieve.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Do they even care? They are that insulated from real life and consider themselves that untouchable that I don't believe they do.

Only about themselves and their stacks of cash they’re hiding away. All of this is to protect themselves.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Two issues with that idea:

1) If tonight's motion is passed the the government doesn't get to decide what legislation is introduced, the opposition decides.

2) Boris no longer has a majority of any sort, he now leads a minority government. So even a simple majority vote in favour of an election is a considerable stretch for Boris to achieve.

I've no idea with regards to the first point, is all business handed over to the opposition or is it only with regards to Brexit? I thought that the motion tonight was simply to force the government to ask for an extension (and block no deal) and if it passes then it's business as usual from tomorrow. But it seems that the SNP would back an election as long as it was to be held before 31st October. That might be enough to get the majority needed even without Labour support.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Only about themselves and their stacks of cash they’re hiding away. All of this is to protect themselves.

No argument with that.

 

[ger147]

I've no idea with regards to the first point, is all business handed over to the opposition or is it only with regards to Brexit? I thought that the motion tonight was simply to force the government to ask for an extension (and block no deal) and if it passes then it's business as usual from tomorrow. But it seems that the SNP would back an election as long as it was to be held before 31st October. That might be enough to get the majority needed even without Labour support.

The motion tonight is for the opposition to take control of tomorrow's business, the vote tonight is not about moving any dates.

And IMO, the opposition will vote against anything Boris proposes, including holding a GE.

 

[clubchamp98]

Two issues with that idea:

1) If tonight's motion is passed the the government doesn't get to decide what legislation is introduced, the opposition decides.


So a democratic government voted for by the public in a General Election can be overthrown by the opposition who then deny said government calling a GE

Is that where we are really.