Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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I see the Forum's second biggest troll is supporting him. :rolleyes:
You've had all night to consider what the result means and the best you can come up with is to call a couple of people who are happy with it trolls.
Disappointing but not unexpected, its the default forum setting for when a poster has little else to offer in terms of a considered response.
 
So the majority of the MP's in the HoC's don't want to leave without a deal and they don't want to leave with the only deal available.

That only leaves staying in the EU so why don't they hurry up, vote to revoke A50 and be done with it.
 
All this not getting on with what the majority voted for is just paving the way for more right wing populist thinking, More division, more hate, and more of Sir Nigel.
 
All 21 Tory rebels have had the whip removed and wont be able to stand as conservatives at the next election unless they say they will vote with the government tonight. Now this legislation proposed today is very much pointless because after a general election is called a new government can overturn it and leave on the 31st without a deal anyway. All it does is provide yet more delay to something quite frankly everyone is fed up with. Government loses tonight, there will be a motion called for a general election which I'd imagine labour will vote against forcing Boris to introduce a short Bill which then only requires a simple majority. If this then fails he can always call a vote of no confidence in his own government and if no new government can be formed within 14 days, he can call a general election on the date of his choosing. Exciting times.
 
All 21 Tory rebels have had the whip removed and wont be able to stand as conservatives at the next election unless they say they will vote with the government tonight. Now this legislation proposed today is very much pointless because after a general election is called a new government can overturn it and leave on the 31st without a deal anyway. All it does is provide yet more delay to something quite frankly everyone is fed up with. Government loses tonight, there will be a motion called for a general election which I'd imagine labour will vote against forcing Boris to introduce a short Bill which then only requires a simple majority. If this then fails he can always call a vote of no confidence in his own government and if no new government can be formed within 14 days, he can call a general election on the date of his choosing. Exciting times.

For the last option to succeed, he has to lose the vote of no confidence. No guarantee the opposition will co-operate and vote the government down.
 
For the last option to succeed, he has to lose the vote of no confidence. No guarantee the opposition will co-operate and vote the government down.
The opposition is even more divided than the government which is why I think it would work, the Bill will most likely get through though
 
All 21 Tory rebels have had the whip removed and wont be able to stand as conservatives at the next election unless they say they will vote with the government tonight. Now this legislation proposed today is very much pointless because after a general election is called a new government can overturn it and leave on the 31st without a deal anyway. All it does is provide yet more delay to something quite frankly everyone is fed up with. Government loses tonight, there will be a motion called for a general election which I'd imagine labour will vote against forcing Boris to introduce a short Bill which then only requires a simple majority. If this then fails he can always call a vote of no confidence in his own government and if no new government can be formed within 14 days, he can call a general election on the date of his choosing. Exciting times.

What if he calls a vote of no confidence in his own government and he loses that vote?
 
The opposition is even more divided than the government which is why I think it would work, the Bill will most likely get through though

I meant co-operate with Boris. They know if they vote him down in a vote of no confidence, he gets to pick the election date. They don't want him doing that either until the extension is ratified by the EU which won't be until mid-October so I can't see him losing a vote of no confidence before then.
 
In my Utopian world ...
1. We leave the EU on 31.10 with a deal/no deal.
2. The Conservatives win a General Election with a decent majority.
3. The 21 rebels cannot stand as Conservatives, all lose and are out of politics.
4. The Government then gets on with running the country for the benefit of all.
5. Wee Krankie gets put back in her box about another independence referendum.

Then again, I've got more chance of seeing 3/4 handicap difference coming back in singles matchplay.
 
You've had all night to consider what the result means and the best you can come up with is to call a couple of people who are happy with it trolls.
Disappointing but not unexpected, its the default forum setting for when a poster has little else to offer in terms of a considered response.

How can you possibly be happy with what happened last night ? All it does is show us our politicians are a set of incompetent , self serving fools ( my opinion) who appear to have handed control to the opposition, not an elected government .That being an opposition who do not have a clue what they want ! An election yes ,,,,,,er no ,leave the EU yes,,,,,,er no ,,,,er yes you really could not make this up .
And as to removing no deal from the table,for christs sake lets just ask what the EU want then bend over and take it because after this , if we do indeed stay in we have lost all credibility and will be treated accordingly by the rest .
 
How can you possibly be happy with what happened last night ? All it does is show us our politicians are a set of incompetent , self serving fools ( my opinion) who appear to have handed control to the opposition, not an elected government .That being an opposition who do not have a clue what they want ! An election yes ,,,,,,er no ,leave the EU yes,,,,,,er no ,,,,er yes you really could not make this up .
And as to removing no deal from the table,for christs sake lets just ask what the EU want then bend over and take it because after this , if we do indeed stay in we have lost all credibility and will be treated accordingly by the rest .

The worst of all results. We stay in the EU and everyone there will know that we dont want to be there, and furthermore will we stay in with the deals, veto's etc we had before we triggered A50?
 
Someone explain to me how a GE will help resolve things please.
If the Tories win again, even with a large majority, what will change?
They are divided about Europe, (as they always have been), and can’t agree a way forward. Doesn’t seem to matter what goes on the manifesto because the MP just does as he/she personally sees fit, even if that means voting against the government or even changing sides.
 
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