Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Hobbit said:
I think different MP's are blocking leaving with No Deal for different reasons. Some believe its in the best interests of the country, and some are doing it for their belief in partisan politics. Labour probably being the best ever example of fence sitters ever, and are, in the main, angling to bring down the government under their own terms. They campaigned on a very solid Leave mandate in their last manifesto, yet are now very much a Remain party... I think, possibly, maybe. While I very much believe Corbyn is anti-EU. With many of Labour's northern constituencies being Leave, Labour are playing with fire.

The country needs a working government, and the people need closure of this mess whatever way it goes. A GE is the only solid answer. Carry on as the UK is currently doing and there will be no resolution. Get a party in with a solid majority and there's a working government needed to move on. Let them campaign with Brexit being one of their manifesto pledges, and it needs to be a clear pledge, not the wishy-washy version Labour are currently running with. In effect, the GE will be the people choosing what they want.
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But we all know the country is split right down the middle in regards Brexit - has there really been enough swing either way to give any part any sort of majority to either leave the EU or revoke Art 50 ?
 
Fade and Die said:
Those words were spoken by Philip Hammond , Foreign Secretary in David Cameron’s government when introducing the referendum bill in the House of Commons. The same Philip Hammond who is now leading the charge against a so-called ‘no deal’ Brexit.
I posted it to highlight how untrustworthy our current MPs are and in reply to your post re MPs. They are snakes of the highest order who only look to serve themselves.
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Yet people think it’s best if we allow them sort this mess out ?!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But we all know the country is split right down the middle in regards Brexit - has there really been enough swing either way to give any part any sort of majority to either leave the EU or revoke Art 50 ?
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But in a GE there will be other aspects to their election which might lead to a solid majority. A second referendum will, as you say, be too close. But a GE, leading to a government with a decent majority might just break the stupid back and forth in Westminster.
 
Hobbit said:
But in a GE there will be other aspects to their election which might lead to a solid majority. A second referendum will, as you say, be too close. But a GE, leading to a government with a decent majority might just break the stupid back and forth in Westminster.
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I’m not sure if I share your optimism mate because I just see the opposition to the current government as a complete joke mainly because of the person in charge of them
 
Beezerk said:
Yes it can, and it looks all the more likely it will be.
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The hardcore Remainers – a small minority from within the 16million+ who voted to remain – are being dishonest in claiming to want a good deal for the UK in exiting the EU. These are the people who voted down the deal Theresa May negotiated with the EU. David Lammy, possibly the most unpleasant person in British public life (and that’s up against some pretty stiff competition), was honest when he waited until lunchtime on 24th June 2016 to suggest that parliament should ignore the result of the referendum. The hilarious and irony-free signs seen this weekend saying ‘Defend democracy – stop Brexit’ are further proof that some people have a very odd view of what constitutes democracy.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I’m not sure if I share your optimism mate because I just see the opposition to the current government as a complete joke mainly because of the person in charge of them
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Can't disagree with you on the idiots the UK has in parliament, on both sides of the House.

But jumping off on a tangent; have a look at how the hierarchy of the EU is set up. Very revealing. There are only 28 EU Commissioners, including the President/Vice President etc. This is called the College. The College decides what laws/directives/policies the EU will have, and once the law is created its put to the EU parliament to vote on. The MEP's vote on it, but can't amend it, and nor can they propose laws. No one votes the Commissioners into office. Democratic?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yet people think it’s best if we allow them sort this mess out ?!
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What sums them up for me is Dr Phillip Lee (con.)
He said on channel 4 news he had been considering defecting to Lib Dem’s for months.
But he chose today 30 seconds before The PMs speech to enter the chamber flanked by Jo Swinson and another LD.
It’s like a bad Shakespeare play.

It’s a bag of snakes I just don’t belive anything they say anymore.
So a GE is who can tell the best porkies without getting found out.
Democracy ???? I can’t see any.
 
clubchamp98 said:
What sums them up for me is Dr Phillip Lee (con.)
He said on channel 4 news he had been considering defecting to Lib Dem’s for months.
But he chose today 30 seconds before The PMs speech to enter the chamber flanked by Jo Swinson and another LD.
It’s like a bad Shakespeare play.

It’s a bag of snakes I just don’t belive anything they say anymore.
So a GE is who can tell the best porkies without getting found out.
Democracy ???? I can’t see any.
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Indeed! A plague on both their houses!
 
Soooo....
Labour are saying they won't back an election if Boris calls one....
What choice do they have?
Surely if Boris, being the PM, wants one he goes to see Liz2 and asks her to call an election...which she'll do.
What say do Labour have in it?
Maybe I should have put this in the Confused thread....
 
Imurg said:
Soooo....
Labour are saying they won't back an election if Boris calls one....
What choice do they have?
Surely if Boris, being the PM, wants one he goes to see Liz2 and asks her to call an election...which she'll do.
What say do Labour have in it?
Maybe I should have put this in the Confused thread....
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PM can't call an election on their own any more. Fixed Term Parliaments Act means 2/3's of the Commons needs to vote in favour of it.
 
Imurg said:
Soooo....
Labour are saying they won't back an election if Boris calls one....
What choice do they have?
Surely if Boris, being the PM, wants one he goes to see Liz2 and asks her to call an election...which she'll do.
What say do Labour have in it?
Maybe I should have put this in the Confused thread....
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The Fixed Term Parliament Act means that if a PM wants to call an early election, i.e. before Full Term, they need the majority of MP's to agree to the election.

Labour are conscious that now isn't the best time for them to have an election.
 
ger147 said:
PM can't call an election on their own any more. Fixed Term Parliaments Act means 2/3's of the Commons needs to vote in favour of it.
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Hobbit said:
The Fixed Term Parliament Act means that if a PM wants to call an early election, i.e. before Full Term, they need the majority of MP's to agree to the election.

Labour are conscious that now isn't the best time for them to have an election.
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Cool and Groovy(y)
So they're all a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be first against the wall when the revolution comes....
 
Imurg said:
Soooo....
Labour are saying they won't back an election if Boris calls one....
What choice do they have?
Surely if Boris, being the PM, wants one he goes to see Liz2 and asks her to call an election...which she'll do.
What say do Labour have in it?
Maybe I should have put this in the Confused thread....
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Corbyn is like my missus for a new car.
Been bleating for a GE for years gets his chance and dosnt want one now.
You couldn’t make it up.
No wonder the EU aren’t offering anything, they must be laughing their heads off.
 
Hobbit said:
The Fixed Term Parliament Act means that if a PM wants to call an early election, i.e. before Full Term, they need the majority of MP's to agree to the election.

Labour are conscious that now isn't the best time for them to have an election.
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Jezzer was calling for an election yesterday wasn't he?
 
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