spongebob59
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See post # 10695 for undemocratic.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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ColchesterFC
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Finally something that I can agree with you on. But how do you suggest they negotiate a new deal when your precious EU have said, and continue to say, that they are unwilling to negotiate and the WA is not going to be changed?
Leftie
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I'm very surprised that you actually realise that there are some virtues and benefits then ........
Actually, you are very much like my wife. She also only sees the negative in everything that doesn't agree with her views. Many thousands of posts ago I asked and repeatedly asked if you or anyone else could provide actual evidence of what the long term benefits to the UK staying in the EU were. Not one single reply to my question from "remainers" in several thousand posts. Says it all really. Just a lot of hot air and keyboard warriors who have nothing more constructive to do with their time.
It looks like each of the EU27 are coming up with their own residencia laws. Thankfully us in Spain look ok-ish. Unfortunately the GBP tanking means that the FX transfer rate is hurting us by over 14%.
https://britishineurope.org/uk-citi...7AL-Znctg4ZcBfv8AD7fSOvv_i5tC03hxI2wemiF8bE7g
https://britishineurope.org/uk-citi...7AL-Znctg4ZcBfv8AD7fSOvv_i5tC03hxI2wemiF8bE7g
chrisd
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I'm very surprised that you actually realise that there are some virtues and benefits then ........
Actually, you are very much like my wife. She also only sees the negative in everything that doesn't agree with her views. Many thousands of posts ago I asked and repeatedly asked if you or anyone else could provide actual evidence of what the long term benefits to the UK staying in the EU were. Not one single reply to my question from "remainers" in several thousand posts. Says it all really. Just a lot of hot air and keyboard warriors who have nothing more constructive to do with their time.
I'd also like to know how the individual EU countries plan to cope without our money and our inability to afford their goods
drdel
Tour Rookie
The members' ability to cope it not on the 'EU/Brussels' to-do list; federalism is their aim - after their own expansionism.
Most of them will be fine. The vast majority receive money, and have told the net contributors they won’t take any less. Holy hell has kicked off in the German Parliament over it, remember it’s a coalition, with the minority party saying they won’t sanction extra money.
On another note, the UK’s contribution is now up to £19bn, £12bn net. And they’re looking to add Albania and Montenegro to the 27. Wonder how much they’ll be contributing
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
I'm very surprised that you actually realise that there are some virtues and benefits then ........
Actually, you are very much like my wife. She also only sees the negative in everything that doesn't agree with her views. Many thousands of posts ago I asked and repeatedly asked if you or anyone else could provide actual evidence of what the long term benefits to the UK staying in the EU were. Not one single reply to my question from "remainers" in several thousand posts. Says it all really. Just a lot of hot air and keyboard warriors who have nothing more constructive to do with their time.
Define 'long term' and define 'evidence'? There's been plenty of economic reports on the harm Brexit will cause to our economy, our legal and economic frameworks have been developed from within the EU for 40 odd years and I am sure we should be devoting more of our time and resources in the Uk to sorting out our problems than all the work needed to untangle ourselves, plus no one knows exactly how it will impact the peace process in Ireland, but I suspect it won't make it any more secure for starters.
But I suspect whatever is said on both sides, the response will be that it is just conjecture and no one can point to anything that will definitely get better as a result of staying the same, i.e. staying in the EU, as it's in the future.
MegaSteve
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That you note it'll take a while to untangle ourselves from Brussels bureaucracy sums up all that is wrong with the whole gig... As I've said many times before about the only thing bureaucracy is proficient at is creating more... Got more than enough of our own lazy incompetent governance without needing to import any...
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And they’re looking to add Albania and Montenegro to the 27. Wonder how much they’ll be contributing
I have no doubt the Albanians will be encouraging the dregs of their society to take full advantage of those FoM benefits.......!! 😉😂
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
I meant more of a framework we are in that we need to untangle ourselves from, all these new free trade agreements that apparently will be the easiest thing to do that actually need doing, not specifically bureaucracy.
There will always be bureaucracy, health and safety, some silly rules, some sensible ones. It isn't going to dissappear once we leave the EU, it will still be there. Yes it will be our own bureaucracy and I imagine for some people that is better, but to me bureaucracy is bureaucracy, whether it comes from Brussels or London.
Mudball
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Just a quick question.. in the run up to BoJo’s ‘leave at any cost’, there have been some positive like the govt actually finding 2b for port chaos, stockpiling, US offering a quick deal etc.
Equally there has been some downsides - pound is nearly at its lowest since the vote, car industry investments are down, manufacturers data indicates that they have locked up capital due to stockpiling, economy looking a bit shaky - true it is not the economic Armageddon that Osborne promised.
Does anyone in the leave camp think - maybe, just maybe - it is not such a great economic idea or is everyone still thinking that ‘exit at any cost’ is the best way forward?
Equally there has been some downsides - pound is nearly at its lowest since the vote, car industry investments are down, manufacturers data indicates that they have locked up capital due to stockpiling, economy looking a bit shaky - true it is not the economic Armageddon that Osborne promised.
Does anyone in the leave camp think - maybe, just maybe - it is not such a great economic idea or is everyone still thinking that ‘exit at any cost’ is the best way forward?
Jamesbrown
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Pound is low because of uncertainty and instability. It goes up, it goes down.
maybe if parliament stopped playing around and got the job done 5 months ago, their might be some confidence in the pound as we make trade deals and a clear road path of where we are going.
Just holiday in Bulgaria and you won’t notice anyway.
drdel
Tour Rookie
Some things are pretty clear (not exhaustive by any means)...
Low pound good for exports.
If sales switch from imports its also good for UK.
Good for domestic holiday industry, cafes etc
Downsides for ex-pats, overseas holiday makers
Bad for businesses importing, some food
Inwards invest good as lower acquisition cost.
Fade and Die
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As the “Establishment†is dragged kicking and screaming towards the inevitable Brexit there is bound to be uncertainty in the economy, I expected it to get worse before it gets better...Once the proverbial nettle is grasped I then think our economy will improve and continue to outperform the rest of Europe.
Short term pain long term gain.ðŸ‘
spongebob59
Journeyman Pro
This is extraordinary.
@guyverhofstadt
doesn’t even try to hide that fact that EU federalism will be forced on nation states whether they - or voters - like it or not.
@guyverhofstadt
doesn’t even try to hide that fact that EU federalism will be forced on nation states whether they - or voters - like it or not.
robinthehood
Hacker
You mean get worse and get back to somewhere a bit worse than we are now?
Great.
Leftie
Tour Winner
Pure conjecture - apparently
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
But on the upside, a few already very wealthy people will have more opportunities to become even wealthier and keep their tax havens. Plus with the pound collapsing, we'll be ripe for even more foreign investment so any last remaining parts of our infrastructure and industry that we currently own can be sold off. So you know, swings and roundabouts.
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Fade and Die
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Do you remember before the internet, that it was thought that the cause of collective stupidity was the lack of access to information?
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