Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

Sorry Brian, but that's just not right. Arklow pulled their backing.

The article I read was that the local council pulled their funding. Apparently they are the landlords for the port. Also in the article was the name of the company that appealed the award, and the reason they appealed.

The company it was awarded to has never ran a ferry fleet, which I acknowledged originally, but also have many, many years of experience in global freighting.

Was it the right award? I genuinely don't know but I have little problem with it. The appeal? Not untypical of a company that didn't win the business.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The article I read was that the local council pulled their funding. Apparently they are the landlords for the port. Also in the article was the name of the company that appealed the award, and the reason they appealed.

The company it was awarded to has never ran a ferry fleet, which I acknowledged originally, but also have many, many years of experience in global freighting.

Was it the right award? I genuinely don't know but I have little problem with it. The appeal? Not untypical of a company that didn't win the business.

I believe this were the confusion over the local council position came from.

“Earlier this week, Thanet District Council was considering cutting its spending on the Ramsgate port, which it had been pumping money into to get it ready for ferry operations.
The council budget cuts could have prevented Ramsgate reopening as a ferry port.
The council delayed its decision on the budget cuts at the request of Mr Grayling.”

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I believe this were the confusion over the local council position came from.

“Earlier this week, Thanet District Council was considering cutting its spending on the Ramsgate port, which it had been pumping money into to get it ready for ferry operations.
The council budget cuts could have prevented Ramsgate reopening as a ferry port.
The council delayed its decision on the budget cuts at the request of Mr Grayling.”

So the transport secretary didn’t know 6 weeks ago that the council in charge of the port,who the government appointed to use in the event of a no deal, were about to pull funding of said port?? Yeah right.....

 

[Sweep]

We don't need to as a member of the EU. We will need to as a non member. But you obviously know that, so not sure what your point is.

Oh, and you may be surprised to learn that we've had negotiators camped in America for several months.

So in one post you say Brexit weakens our position as global player and in another you say we don’t have to negotiate with anyone globally if we stay because we have the EU to do that for us. That doesn’t sound like enhancing our position as a global player to me.

 

[Sweep]

Nothing yet, but given his previous i’d tread very carefully before jumping into agreements with him.

I don’t know what the EU have got to do with my post 🙄

Of course trade agreements have their place, but they are not the be all and end all.
The UK is the biggest single investor in the United States which is the world’s largest economy. The United States is the biggest single investor in the UK. We have been doing enormous amounts of business for decades. All without a trade deal.

 

[Foxholer]

...That doesn’t sound like enhancing our position as a global player to me.

And that (the bold bit) is all any political (and likely other) thread on here is about - personal opinion!

 

[bluewolf]

So in one post you say Brexit weakens our position as global player and in another you say we don’t have to negotiate with anyone globally if we stay because we have the EU to do that for us. That doesn’t sound like enhancing our position as a global player to me.

Are you purposefully misrepresenting the position?
When we leave we'll have to become a Global Player. We'll have to negotiate based purely on our own merits. Japan have already come out and said they're expecting a better (for them) deal with us than the one they've just signed with the EU. That's our future now. We'll be at the mercy of stronger groups.

Oh, and the EU are not negotiating for us. We're a partner. They're negotiating with us at their side.

 

[Sweep]

Are you purposefully misrepresenting the position?
When we leave we'll have to become a Global Player. We'll have to negotiate based purely on our own merits. Japan have already come out and said they're expecting a better (for them) deal with us than the one they've just signed with the EU. That's our future now. We'll be at the mercy of stronger groups.

Oh, and the EU are not negotiating for us. We're a partner. They're negotiating with us at their side.

So, which is it?
Brexit will threaten our position as a global player. We can’t be a global player on our own.
Or,
If we leave we will have to be a global player on our own.

You say Brexit will threaten our position as a global player, but then you say we will have to become a global player when we leave. So how can brexit threaten our position as a global player if we are not a global player yet?

I think it’s you that is misrepresenting the situation.
I guess that’s the difference between leavers and remainers. Leavers have faith in the UK and believe we can do as well if not better on our own without interference from others. Leavers have little or no faith in the UK and don’t believe we can be successful on our own.
That’s a great shame.

 

[bluewolf]

So, which is it?
Brexit will threaten our position as a global player. We can’t be a global player on our own.
Or,
If we leave we will have to be a global player on our own.

You say Brexit will threaten our position as a global player, but then you say we will have to become a global player when we leave. So how can brexit threaten our position as a global player if we are not a global player yet?

I think it’s you that is misrepresenting the situation.
I guess that’s the difference between leavers and remainers. Leavers have faith in the UK and believe we can do as well if not better on our own without interference from others. Leavers have little or no faith in the UK and don’t believe we can be successful on our own.
That’s a great shame.

Absolute unqualified nonsense.....

We are currently, as part of the largest trading bloc in the world, in a very strong position. Once we leave, we're going to be a much smaller player,and therefore we won't be able to get the same deals that we currently enjoy.

And here's proof..... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7

And that's just Japan. What do you think America are going to do?

Now then, I've consistently provided proof of my points. All you're doing is having "faith". And that's the big problem. Brexit is like a cult.

 

[SocketRocket]

Absolute unqualified nonsense.....

We are currently, as part of the largest trading bloc in the world, in a very strong position. Once we leave, we're going to be a much smaller player,and therefore we won't be able to get the same deals that we currently enjoy.

And here's proof..... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7

And that's just Japan. What do you think America are going to do?

Now then, I've consistently provided proof of my points. All you're doing is having "faith". And that's the big problem. Brexit is like a cult.

Do you have shares in FT.com?

 

[bluewolf]

Do you have shares in FT.com?

No, why?
I can link to several other media sources if you want. I just presumed that the Financial Times would be an acceptable reference. Who would you prefer? My previous links have been the Telegraph and the Independant. Hardly the Guardian are they?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So the transport secretary didn’t know 6 weeks ago that the council in charge of the port,who the government appointed to use in the event of a no deal, were about to pull funding of said port?? Yeah right.....

Don’t know mate, I was simply pointing out to Hobbit were his confusion may of risen from after this came out earlier in the week.

 

[bluewolf]

Do you have shares in FT.com?

Just realised that you may be referring to the fact that the article is behind a paywall.

So, here's another link....

https://www.techregister.co.uk/no-deal-brexit-risks-rise-as-uk-japan-trade-talks-stall/

 

[bluewolf]

Carolyn Fairbairn being fairly scathing about a No Deal Brexit on Sophy Ridge this morning.

 

[SocketRocket]

Absolute unqualified nonsense.....

We are currently, as part of the largest trading bloc in the world, in a very strong position. Once we leave, we're going to be a much smaller player,and therefore we won't be able to get the same deals that we currently enjoy.

And here's proof..... https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7

And that's just Japan. What do you think America are going to do?

Now then, I've consistently provided proof of my points. All you're doing is having "faith". And that's the big problem. Brexit is like a cult.

OK, I can link to it now. Bit sketchy to be described as 'Truth' reads more as someones opinion to me. Also, you are aware that we cannot agree any trade deals while still members of the EU or tied by the constraints of a transition period.

How did you get to know about our Cult, it's only a small cult at the moment but we are expecting more to join, especially if Nigel accepts the nomination for 'Grand Wizard' . Exciting times ahead, what Ho!

 

[SocketRocket]

Carolyn Fairbairn being fairly scathing about a No Deal Brexit on Sophy Ridge this morning.

Well that's no surprise.

 

[Fade and Die]

Carolyn Fairbairn being fairly scathing about a No Deal Brexit on Sophy Ridge this morning.

So your telling us a spokeswomen for a pro EU organisation that receives EU funding and even said we should join the Euro is scathing about Britain leaving the EU....?

That’s a game changer! 😂

 

[bluewolf]

OK, I can link to it now. Bit sketchy to be described as 'Truth' reads more as someones opinion to me. Also, you are aware that we cannot agree any trade deals while still members of the EU or tied by the constraints of a transition period.

How did you get to know about our Cult, it's only a small cult at the moment but we are expecting more to join, especially if Nigel accepts the nomination for 'Grand Wizard' . Exciting times ahead, what Ho!

So, let me get this right, evidence that we would be a 2nd class player on the world stage is presented to you. And your rebuttal is that "well that's just an opinion, and it won't affect us till after we leave anyway!"
Of course it won't affect us till after we leave. It'll be too late to address it by then as well.

Ok, are you happy to sign deals that are demonstrably worse than ones we currently benefit from?

Worth noting that reports are emerging that South Korea now want to re-open and renegotiate trade terms with the UK.

 

[bluewolf]

So your telling us a spokeswomen for a pro EU organisation that receives EU funding and even said we should join the Euro is scathing about Britain leaving the EU....?

That’s a game changer! 😂

She's the Director General of the CBI. I suspect that she has more knowledge of the subject than anyone on here. Still, experts eh. We're sick of them.

 

[Fade and Die]

She's the Directir General of the CBI. I suspect that she has more knowledge of the subject than anyone on here. Still, experts eh. We're sick of them.

But she’s extremely biased. Do you not consider that before accepting it as gospel?