Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[bluewolf]

Ive explained it to you, unfortunately I can’t understand it for you.
You carry on postulating loaded questions though👍

You haven't explained anything. You've only put forward a nonsensical rebuttal. and stooping to veiled insults says everything..

Is she representing her members or not?

Any links to articles explaining the benefits of a no deal brexit yet?

 

[MegaSteve]

Ok, I'm not sure I follow your logic here..(most likely my fault). It appears that you're saying that the electorate decided to punish Cameron and Big Business by voting to leave the organisation that "afforded workers rights" and handing over control of workers rights to the Government of the day (likely to be the Tories for quite a while now). The Government that contains MP's like Dominic Raab, who is most definitely not a fan of workers rights

I am saying if 'big business' had allowed more of the alleged/supposed benefits of membership tumble down rather than simply trousering it... There MIGHT have been a different outcome to the vote... Didn't say anything of punishing anyone... Bit like the plumber fella that backed Ms Gina... Tells us all how wonderful Brussels is but denies his employees those 'wonderments'...

 

[bluewolf]

I am saying if 'big business' had allowed more of the alleged/supposed benefits of membership tumble down rather than simply trousering it... There MIGHT have been a different outcome to the vote... Didn't say anything of punishing anyone... Bit like the plumber fella that backed Ms Gina... Tells us all how wonderful Brussels is but denies his employees those 'wonderments'...

But therein lies the problem.. Voting to leave the EU to protest against the Organisations that are held back from the worst excesses of employee abuse by the "protections" of legislation introduced by the EU makes absolutely no sense.. I'm not saying that you're wrong about the motivation, but the way that it could backfire is spectacular..

And with regards to the "plumber fella", now he'll only have to influence the Tories to reduce workers rights.. The Party well known for their protection of employees...

 

[SocketRocket]

But therein lies the problem.. Voting to leave the EU to protest against the Organisations that are held back from the worst excesses of employee abuse by the "protections" of legislation introduced by the EU makes absolutely no sense.. I'm not saying that you're wrong about the motivation, but the way that it could backfire is spectacular..

And with regards to the "plumber fella", now he'll only have to influence the Tories to reduce workers rights.. The Party well known for their protection of employees...

Ah! So we are not capable as a country of protecting Workers Rights and need a foreign court to oversee them. I thought we made decisions on these things in the ballot box.

 

[drdel]

You haven't explained anything. You've only put forward a nonsensical rebuttal. and stooping to veiled insults says everything..

Is she representing her members or not?

Any links to articles explaining the benefits of a no deal brexit yet?

No.

Digby Jones came to a different opinion.

 

[bluewolf]

No.

Digby Jones came to a different opinion.

So she's going to be replaced soon then?
and who is Digby Jones representing these days?

And this is the same Digby Jones who admitted on Newsnight that every family would be worse off after Brexit.. And this was just months after claiming that not one job would be lost as a result of Brexit... I can't say what my opinion of DJ is as this would get me kicked off the forum...

 

[bluewolf]

Ah! So we are not capable as a country of protecting Workers Rights and need a foreign court to oversee them. I thought we made decisions on these things in the ballot box.

Of course we are capable.. Don't make silly false equivalencies.. However, when you have people like Raab in the Government then I'll take all the protection I can get...

 

[SocketRocket]

Of course we are capable.. Don't make silly false equivalencies.. However, when you have people like Raab in the Government then I'll take all the protection I can get...

I don't believe my equivalence was silly! It was to address your suggestion that it was the EU protecting workers rights from the worst excesses of employee abuse and to abandon it made no sense.

 

[bluewolf]

I don't believe my equivalence was silly! It was to address your suggestion that it was the EU protecting workers rights from the worst excesses of employee abuse and to abandon it made no sense.

If you look really closely, you'll notice quotation marks around the word Protection.. That's because I was referencing MegaSteve's post regarding EU legislation..

Anyway, I'm off out with the Mrs as she's had some bad news this weekend.. It's pamper time (and by that I mean to find a pub and treat her to a nice Sunday lunch whilst the Rugby is on the TV, followed by the football.. Hope you all have a great remainder of the weekend, and remember, Life is precious so just enjoy what you're doing...

 

[Hobbit]

How can the CBI one be biased? She thinks that a No Deal Brexit will be a disaster for British Business. She represents British Business. She's either doing that or is giving her own personal opinion (in which case she'd have been replaced by now).
It appears that anything that doubts the positive effects of a No Deal Brexit is dismissed as biased nonsense.. Even when it's the very organisations that you think will benefit the most.. You're so entrenched in your views that nothing short of a last minute Farage about turn would convince you otherwise..

So, in order to provide balance, can you link to a Centre or Left leaning organisation that is actively promoting a No Deal Brexit...

Every organisation has a vested interest in the outcome. To say they don't have a bias is... its just bizarre. If they didn't have a bias they would be ambivalent to leaving.

 

[bluewolf]

Every organisation has a vested interest in the outcome. To say they don't have a bias is... its just bizarre. If they didn't have a bias they would be ambivalent to leaving.

Fair point. So then it's more accurate to state that she's representing the preferences of those she works for, yes?

So, Business doesn't want a No Deal Brexit? Are we in agreement?

 

[Hobbit]

Fair point. So then it's more accurate to state that she's representing the preferences of those she works for, yes?

So, Business doesn't want a No Deal Brexit? Are we in agreement?

No Deal means no 2 years transition, during which time to realign budgets and planning. Even if a particular business supports Brexit, not having planning time will impact on the business.

 

[bluewolf]

No Deal means no 2 years transition, during which time to realign budgets and planning. Even if a particular business supports Brexit, not having planning time will impact on the business.

Quick, while the fragrant one is at the bar. I was under the impression that No Deal meant no transition? Am I wrong?

 

[Hobbit]

Quick, while the fragrant one is at the bar. I was under the impression that No Deal meant no transition? Am I wrong?

My first sentence you quoted, no deal means no 2 year transition. You’re not wrong.

 

[bluewolf]

My first sentence you quoted, no deal means no 2 year transition. You’re not wrong.

Thank you. Sorry for not reading your post properly. I'm posting in toilet breaks!! 😂

 

[Hobbit]

Thank you. Sorry for not reading your post properly. I'm posting in toilet breaks!! 😂

What?! You’re going to the toilet to post on a golf forum about Brexit?! Not sure if it’s counselling you need or some form of register you need to be signing!

 

[drdel]

What?! You’re going to the toilet to post on a golf forum about Brexit?! Not sure if it’s counselling you need or some form of register you need to be signing!

With over 50% of the posts for the day its possibly a bid for 'thread domination '.

It's a bit tedious IMO.

 

[bluewolf]

What?! You’re going to the toilet to post on a golf forum about Brexit?! Not sure if it’s counselling you need or some form of register you need to be signing!

Yes. I'm posting whilst the better half is away. She's had a bad weekend.

And I've got 50% of the posts because I'm responding to direct questions from several people. If there are issues with what I'm posting then argue those. And what are "bit tensions"?

 

[bluewolf]

With over 50% of the posts for the day its possibly a bid for 'thread domination '.

It's a bit tedious IMO.

It's a shame that you've decided to have a go rather than argue the points I've raised. I'll take the hint and leave you to your thread.itd be interesting to see the individual post count on this thread though.

 

[SocketRocket]

Yes. I'm posting whilst the better half is away. She's had a bad weekend.

And I've got 50% of the posts because I'm responding to direct questions from several people. If there are issues with what I'm posting then argue those. And what are "bit tensions"?

Hope she's OK.