Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Still don’t remember anyone from the UK govt throwing insults.

I must only assume you were not watching when Leave supporting MP's were being howled down by Tory MP's in attempts to stop them from speaking at Westminster.
Or when Labour and Tory MP's directed the following words at Brexit supporting MP's

Go back to Skye
F....off
You are a little s...

Sorry if anyone is offended by my ....out words.
 
I just wrote quite a lengthy response containing quite a lot of my thoughts on this matter.. Then I realised that I don't actually care what any on here think.. I've accepted that Brexit will happen. I've made plans for when it does. I'm not one of those likely to be overly badly hit if it goes very wrong.

I do still think that there should be an extension of Article 50 as we don't have time to put the legislation in place. However, I'm fairly sure this won't happen as quite a few of the most vocal Brexiteers in power appear quite concerned about something coming at the beginning of April..

Have away at it fellas ;)

Really its a Forum of idle debate!

If you don't care what anyone on here thinks I'm at a loss as to why you bother posting comments - is it because you expect others to care and take unquestioning what you say from your position of superiority?

Perhaps you might tell me why you think senior staff from Brussels should play juvenile games by using press briefing to bleat on and trivialise the outcomes of meetings on social media in the midst of what I'd consider important discussions that will impact citizens on both sides.

These unelected characters like, Barneir, Junker, Tusk, Verhofstadt and Semayr are grandstanding with these silly tweets and playing to their peers in Brussels NOT to the citizens of the 27.

IMO it simply demonstrates what can go wrong when arrogant decision making is divorced from accountability.
 
I don't need to defend him.. I agree with him.. I'm more surprised at how offended people on here are by it.. I don't like the obvious term, but people do appear to be very easily offended!
It’s the truth ... if you did not laugh, you would cry.
 
When there's all the baying and cat calling in the House of Commons pretty much everyone and their dog decries it. And yet some people think unprofessional behaviour from senior politicians in the EU is ok. Ask yourself what the response would be if this happened in your workplace. What you believe and what you say in the workplace can be two very different things. You know HR would have a field day with this sort of thing.

Its unprofessional and its doubly unhelpful. May will, hopefully, be bringing something back to the UK Parliament that she will have to try and get through. Tusk's comments are crass and insensitive, and all he's achieved is getting the backs up of people May has to try and get on-side. As for Verhofstadt... best not say. The guy is a joke.
 
When there's all the baying and cat calling in the House of Commons pretty much everyone and their dog decries it. And yet some people think unprofessional behaviour from senior politicians in the EU is ok. Ask yourself what the response would be if this happened in your workplace. What you believe and what you say in the workplace can be two very different things. You know HR would have a field day with this sort of thing.

Its unprofessional and its doubly unhelpful. May will, hopefully, be bringing something back to the UK Parliament that she will have to try and get through. Tusk's comments are crass and insensitive, and all he's achieved is getting the backs up of people May has to try and get on-side. As for Verhofstadt... best not say. The guy is a joke.

I guess a redeeming feature of the HoC (apart from being elected people) is that they have the courage to insult each other face to face (generally).

What's worse is Tusk and Varadkar were giggling and smirking like idiotic kids after the comment. If I was Irish I'd be embarrassed.
 
I don't need to defend him.. I agree with him.. I'm more surprised at how offended people on here are by it.. I don't like the obvious term, but people do appear to be very easily offended!
So do you believe these comments were helpful at this particular time?
Do you believe this is the kind of behaviour expected from him by the people he governs?
Are you concerned about his genuine intentions given that just one minute before he said
"I strongly believe a common solution is possible and I will do everything in my power to find it"?
Or is it really a case of the EU can do no wrong?
 
I must only assume you were not watching when Leave supporting MP's were being howled down by Tory MP's in attempts to stop them from speaking at Westminster.
Or when Labour and Tory MP's directed the following words at Brexit supporting MP's

Go back to Skye
F....off
You are a little s...

Sorry if anyone is offended by my ....out words.
I still don’t remember anyone from the UK government throwing insults at the EU.
And let me add to that. Certainly not someone in such a high position as Tusk is in the EU.
 
I still don’t remember anyone from the UK government throwing insults at the EU.
And let me add to that. Certainly not someone in such a high position as Tusk is in the EU.

You need to watch some of Farage's speeches in the EU Parliament. He, and some of his cronies, are worse than you've heard today. They represent the UK in the EU parliament, not some little constituency.
 
That was quite funny actually.
I suppose you have to ask yourself why they've made these statements now?
My point exactly. Why now? Why are those who are so against a no deal supporting these kind of comments at this critical time? Is this going to help avoid a no deal? If this was the UK side they would be screaming the house down.
Seemingly some people like being governed by the childish.
 
You need to watch some of Farage's speeches in the EU Parliament. He, and some of his cronies, are worse than you've heard today. They represent the UK in the EU parliament, not some little constituency.
Check the word “government”
 
So do you believe these comments were helpful at this particular time?
Do you believe this is the kind of behaviour expected from him by the people he governs?
Are you concerned about his genuine intentions given that just one minute before he said
"I strongly believe a common solution is possible and I will do everything in my power to find it"?
Or is it really a case of the EU can do no wrong?
I suspect that he, like quite a few people, realise that the negotiation is well and truly over. May hasn't moved at all, despite the rather laughable votes that were held recently. They know full well that even if the EU did move, it wouldn't get through the HoC. I think they've given up now and are letting their frustrations out.

Does anyone on here actually think that a Deal is possible?
 
Really its a Forum of idle debate!

If you don't care what anyone on here thinks I'm at a loss as to why you bother posting comments - is it because you expect others to care and take unquestioning what you say from your position of superiority?

Perhaps you might tell me why you think senior staff from Brussels should play juvenile games by using press briefing to bleat on and trivialise the outcomes of meetings on social media in the midst of what I'd consider important discussions that will impact citizens on both sides.

These unelected characters like, Barneir, Junker, Tusk, Verhofstadt and Semayr are grandstanding with these silly tweets and playing to their peers in Brussels NOT to the citizens of the 27.

IMO it simply demonstrates what can go wrong when arrogant decision making is divorced from accountability.
This. Nail on head
 
If only those 2 could simply celebrate the exit of Farage from the EU Parliament!

He (Farage) has been a thorn in their collective sides for quite a long while now!

Tusk is a man with a mission, in a position of more power more than he should have.

Verhofstadt, imo, is actually far more dangerous to the best interests of Europe. He IS an unashamedly Federalist - a position I detest.

FWIW, I prefer the much less dictatorial 'mutual co-operation' approach, albeit with a certain amount of centralised 'control'! It's a case of getting the 'balance' right! The 'devolved' approach that exists in the UK has distinct advantages imo, though a few disadvantages as well!
 
My point exactly. Why now? Why are those who are so against a no deal supporting these kind of comments at this critical time? Is this going to help avoid a no deal? If this was the UK side they would be screaming the house down.
Seemingly some people like being governed by the childish.
There won't be a Deal. It simply won't happen. There are too many people who want a No Deal but are making different noises in public.
If it does, I'll be the first to come on here and say I was wrong....
 
Check the word “government”

I don't need to check the word government. Whether you like Farage or not, he and some of his, even more obnoxious friends represent you in the EU parliament. Are you saying you approve of Farage's past comments? If you do, what makes them better or different to Tusk's comments?
 
I suspect that he, like quite a few people, realise that the negotiation is well and truly over. May hasn't moved at all, despite the rather laughable votes that were held recently. They know full well that even if the EU did move, it wouldn't get through the HoC. I think they've given up now and are letting their frustrations out.

Does anyone on here actually think that a Deal is possible?
A deal is possible. It depends on both sides willingness to compromise.
 
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