SocketRocket
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By wrong do you mean pedantic miniscae or difference of opinion. If you are going to make rude comments maybe you could explain, especially as you have recently criticised me for doing the same.
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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bluewolf
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Sorry, my work frazzled brain isn't working at full speed right now. Are you confirming that, without Miller's challenge, we'd now be destined to leave with May's Deal?
Blue in Munich
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Theresa May survives the No Confidence motion by 19 votes.
Waste of a day and annoyingly everyone knew it was going to be a waste.
Hopefully tomorrow will be a more constructive day.
I had my first genuinely panicked customer today, our German distributor. He was freaked by yesterday. Not good
Foxholer
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Nothing that Miller did changed whether A50 was invoked nor what the subsequent 'deal' was. It was solely about who could invoke A50. What (and all) Miller DID achieve was to force May to get Parliament to approve, with standard parliamentary scrutiny, the invocation of A50 - something she had been been keen to simply invoke using Cabinet/prerogative powers.
SocketRocket
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You have edited your post since i replied to it.
I dont see how your edited comment is relevant to my last paragraph. I suggested that if parliament stop Brexit and ignore the result of the referendum then they will be held to account by the people that voted to leave. This may be by future voting trend or by unrest, I'm not sure how it would manifest.
Prior to Gina Miller's intervention the Tories didn't have to take the deal to Parliament. The interpretation previously was that the govt could sign off on any deal without taking it to Parliament. From a govt's perspective they often sign off on deals without taking them to Parliament, e.g. the trade deal made with China 4 years ago.
On the Gina Miller case I can see it both ways. On the one hand it was too big an issue to be bulldozed through on the back of an ancient clause but, equally, the wider picture going forward means that a government (potentially) can't govern on the bigger issues without taking them to Parliament for the decision. If you've won the right to govern...
Tashyboy
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Frustrated by the shenanigans going off throughout this whole process. At a time when this country is nigh on its Arse. I struggle to grasp what is pissing me off the most.
1, is it politicians of all parties using this Brexit to further there own careers.
2, is it members of Joe Public struggling to accept a democratic vote.
3, is it the most incompetent leader of the opposition in my living memory.
4, is it the most incompetent opposition in my living memory.
5, is it the most incompetent Government in my living memory.
6, is it the EU who have shown themselves to be the shower of crap that Brexiteers thought them to be.
I could go on and on.
Whichever one of the above it is, i will be gobsmacked if another deal can be sorted in the three days. One of which was used up by Corbyn pushing for a vote of no confidence. Is it possible for the house to push for a vote of no confidence in Jezza.
1, is it politicians of all parties using this Brexit to further there own careers.
2, is it members of Joe Public struggling to accept a democratic vote.
3, is it the most incompetent leader of the opposition in my living memory.
4, is it the most incompetent opposition in my living memory.
5, is it the most incompetent Government in my living memory.
6, is it the EU who have shown themselves to be the shower of crap that Brexiteers thought them to be.
I could go on and on.
Whichever one of the above it is, i will be gobsmacked if another deal can be sorted in the three days. One of which was used up by Corbyn pushing for a vote of no confidence. Is it possible for the house to push for a vote of no confidence in Jezza.
Foxholer
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Errors of fact mainly, but it's the last paragraph that's the major issue.
ColchesterFC
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306 votes v 325 votes. Or to put it another way 48% v 52%. I'm sure I've seen those figures before somewhere. Do we now have to spend two years arguing over the result of the vote?
Foxholer
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Possibly even many/all of the above!
Sorry to say you've nailed all of them.
Taz
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So May offers Davros a chance to start cross party discussions and he says only if no deal comes off the table 
So May offers Davros a chance to start cross party discussions and he says only if no deal comes off the table
This line, even if it is the intention is just wrong. It takes a bargaining chip of the table. "Give me a good deal or I'm walking." Or, "I'll take anything as long as its a deal." As the other party what would worry you the most?
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Is it safe to say that the only way there is going to be a “no deal†is if the public get a vote on it and they vote for it? It seems not one single party wants to have a no deal Brexit ?
Foxholer
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Indeed/Quite possibly/likely, the need to get 'her deal' approved by Parliament was made a pretty blatant necessity by Miller's action!
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I had my first genuinely panicked customer today, our German distributor. He was freaked by yesterday. Not good
Did you ask them what pressure/lobbying they've been putting on their own Government?
Tashyboy
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😂😂😂 If I don't laugh al cry
ColchesterFC
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So May offers Davros a chance to start cross party discussions and he says only if no deal comes off the table
SNP have said the same, as have the Lib Dems but they've also added that consideration should be given to a People's Vote. May has refused to take No Deal off the table so I guess there's not going to be much progress.
ColchesterFC
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Did the 52% supporting the government understand what they were actually voting for? Should the question have been a simple binary choice? I demand another vote because I don't like the result of this vote.
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