Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[ColchesterFC]

I've just watched her statement. I know she said some words and used them in sentences but did she actually say anything that meant anything? There didn't seem to be anything new or different enough to make it worthwhile making a statement

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I've just watched her statement. I know she said some words and used them in sentences but did she actually say anything that meant anything? There didn't seem to be anything new or different enough to make it worthwhile making a statement

Same old rubbish though now she wants everyone else to run round after her and help her.

She’s had 30months to listen to parliament and refused, now she’s under the kosh she wants to have dialogue.....

“The door remains open” is more come and listen to me and let me brainwash you more like.

 

[harpo_72]

Corbyn has the same problem as May, he has a party of mixed opinion. If they both make a hard decision their parties will break up. Which in the end for the electorate is good.
It was interesting that voters now are influenced by the brexit position of each party not manifesto.

It was a waste of time, it will be a waste of more time in the next few days ...

 

[Taz]

Yeah, Corbyn really isn't doing himself any favours.

“So Jeremy Corbyn will meet with Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA with no preconditions, but won’t meet the British Prime Minister without her agreeing to his precondition

 

[Taz]

Corbyn has the same problem as May, he has a party of mixed opinion. If they both make a hard decision their parties will break up. Which in the end for the electorate is good.
It was interesting that voters now are influenced by the brexit position of each party not manifesto.

It was a waste of time, it will be a waste of more time in the next few days ...

Possibly the real reason he wants no deal off the table, to cause issues within the tories.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

There's an old quote, if you aren't part of the solution then you are part of the problem. At the moment I don't see any of the key party leaders being part of the solution so.................................

 

[chrisd]

Possibly the real reason he wants no deal off the table, to cause issues within the tories.

Wanting no deal off the table is just a ruse to stop him having to get involved in real issues and properly state his case

 

[SocketRocket]

Possibly the real reason he wants no deal off the table, to cause issues within the tories.

I find his logic hard to follow. If you remove 'No Deal' from the table then what is your 'backstop' in negotiations with the EU? How can anyone suggest that we say to the EU that we will definitely be accepting a Deal from them but we might Stay. Pathetic, absolutely Pathetic!!

 

[Imurg]

You simply can't take No Deal off the table because it's an integral part of the discussions.
It's a major bargaining chip because they certainly don't want it.
Assuming Corbyn is ok to leave the EU with a deal, he has to be willing to leave without a deal as well because it's the only outcome if a deal cannot be reached.
Which part of " if we can't reach an agreement on a deal then we leave without a deal" do people not understand?

No deal is a real possibility - assuming the government don't go back on their pledge to honour the will of the people.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

We are the laughing stock of Europe because our mp’s are so entrenched and polarised in their own view they cannot see that the EU is in the position it is in because they all have the same view.
It reminds me of class of 5 years old running around trying to push Europe’s strongest man over.
Clueless and embarrassing.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

first time ive watched any of it for a very long time, he got destroyed by Gove earlier and now May sticking the knife in.

Its utterly unfathomable that the least successful government certainly of my time is still capable of ridiculing the leader of the opposition with little credible comeback

Cant we tell Europe we'll be a year, fire the lot of them and start again (back into the darkness for me!)

Surely if May wants to get input across the political spectrum you don't get Corbyn involved by publicly sticking the knife in - effectively trying to bully Corbyn into talks - as if she holds all the cards...

Corbyn is accused of playing politics - maybe - but May can equally be accused - and it is she who is in the desperate position needing his support. Corbyn is the leader of the opposition with his primary goal being getting the Tories out of government - the Tories are in a mess - they are a disgrace of a government - it is therefore understandable that he might offer his support to May on his terms and his timescales. But bottom line is that he must talk with May.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I've just watched her statement. I know she said some words and used them in sentences but did she actually say anything that meant anything? There didn't seem to be anything new or different enough to make it worthwhile making a statement

Indeed - it seemed pure and simple party politicking on her part - having a go at Corbyn... nothing else of any note was said.

 

[IanM]

You simply can't take No Deal off the table because it's an integral part of the discussions.
It's a major bargaining chip

No deal is a real possibility - assuming the government don't go back on their pledge to honour the will of the people.

That’s exactly what is happening........ Taking No Deal off the table means EU doesn’t need to budge. 3rd Thursday in July for 2nd Referendum. Options will be stay in or leave on Mays fudge

No deal is better.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Any minute now her batteries will need changing.

Strongandstablestrongandmypreciousunionmyprecnothinghaschangnothinghassssss

 

[jp5]

Think we all know no-deal is not a serious option given the state of this country.

Leavers had the opportunity to be out of the EU in 80 days with Mrs May's deal. I suspect they may come to regret voting it down.

 

[IanM]

They didnt.... the HoC did. Ignoring the Referendum.

 

[Hobbit]

Surely if May wants to get input across the political spectrum you don't get Corbyn involved by publicly sticking the knife in - effectively trying to bully Corbyn into talks - as if she holds all the cards...

Corbyn is accused of playing politics - maybe - but May can equally be accused - and it is she who is in the desperate position needing his support. Corbyn is the leader of the opposition with his primary goal being getting the Tories out of government - the Tories are in a mess - they are a disgrace of a government - it is therefore understandable that he might offer his support to May on his terms and his timescales. But bottom line is that he must talk with May.

Didn't she "stick the knife in" after he said he wouldn't meet until she removed No Deal? On this one I have some sympathy for May but it also reinforces what I think about Corbyn. At a time when when its clear there is no consensus in the House, it blatantly obvious that division needs to be dropped and that they need to work together.

Its been interesting to watch MEP's in Brussels speaking in the EU parliament. Even Guy Verhofstad is being nice-ish. They want a deal and recognise a compromise of some description is needed.

As an aside, just what is wrong with going for No Deal now and beginning talks on deals immediately thereafter? People throw around No Deal but just what is No Deal?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don't know if this is an old one but it made me smile

 

[SocketRocket]

As an aside, just what is wrong with going for No Deal now and beginning talks on deals immediately thereafter? People throw around No Deal but just what is No Deal?

A Managed No Deal. Its a shame we cant keep it very simple and go for a free trade agreement that would solve the Irish problem and agree to make a divorce payment.

 

[Foxholer]

A Managed No Deal. Its a shame we cant keep it very simple and go for a free trade agreement that would solve the Irish problem and agree to make a divorce payment.

That would be 'a Deal' then!

But one I'd certainly be in favour of.

Though I suspect the EU's attitude would remain intransigently in 'punishment' mode.