Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

I'm not sure how to respond to that. You seem to be saying that people should be presumed guilty until proven innocent.

No, In a round about way just saying it's funny how we tend to forget about the left wing who have been far more disruptive and violent than the right in the past few years and possibly have a far greater following.

Not in favor of either group but it would be good to see just a little balance.

 

[Old Skier]

I don’t think anyone has said anyone can get away with anything - and I didnt think it was a competition.

No it's not been a comp, but you seem to have a tendency to point out the few bad boys from the leave side and forget there are just as many nasty Herbert's in the leave side.

 

[bluewolf]

No, In a round about way just saying it's funny how we tend to forget about the left wing who have been far more disruptive and violent than the right in the past few years and possibly have a far greater following.

Not in favor of either group but it would be good to see just a little balance.

Really? How have the Far Left been more disruptive than the Far Right?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No it's not been a comp, but you seem to have a tendency to point out the few bad boys from the leave side and forget there are just as many nasty Herbert's in the leave side.

I posted what I have seen in the news , it appears that the far right people have been a bit more pro active in their “abuse”
And the far left seem a bit more “ peaceful in their protests” whilst very vocal

I havent seen remainers screaming abuse at MP’s calling them traitors and nazi’s and I don’t know what abuse Rees Moog bloke got apart from an upset bloke on the radio informing him that hold up in customs stop his now passed away wife from getting some crucial medical supplies from the US

So far only a far right member has murdered someone so I guess MP’s will be a bit more jumpy when they get called Nazi and Traitors etc

But If there are examples of the replicant behaviour from the leave “herberts” then I’m sure you will post them

 

[Old Skier]

Really? How have the Far Left been more disruptive than the Far Right?

I'm not going to ask you to trawl through the media to prove your point and I'm not going to to prove mine. We both (I presume) follow the news.

 

[bluewolf]

I'm not going to ask you to trawl through the media to prove your point and I'm not going to to prove mine. We both (I presume) follow the news.

Yes, and I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that the Far Left have been far worse than the Far Right.

 

[Old Skier]

I posted what I have seen in the news , it appears that the far right people have been a bit more pro active in their “abuse”
And the far left seem a bit more “ peaceful in their protests” whilst very vocal

I havent seen remainers screaming abuse at MP’s calling them traitors and nazi’s and I don’t know what abuse Rees Moog bloke got apart from an upset bloke on the radio informing him that hold up in customs stop his now passed away wife from getting some crucial medical supplies from the US

So far only a far right member has murdered someone so I guess MP’s will be a bit more jumpy when they get called Nazi and Traitors etc

But If there are examples of the replicant behaviour from the leave “herberts” then I’m sure you will post them

You really have no knowledge of seeing the incident involving the Rees-Mogg children. Very strange as it did make the national news.

As to a small group of hooligans abusing politicians being right wing, seems strange that they are right wing when the are accusing the MP of being a Nazi, sort of thing you hear from left wing folk.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I posted what I have seen in the news , it appears that the far right people have been a bit more pro active in their “abuse”
And the far left seem a bit more “ peaceful in their protests” whilst very vocal

I havent seen remainers screaming abuse at MP’s calling them traitors and nazi’s and I don’t know what abuse Rees Moog bloke got apart from an upset bloke on the radio informing him that hold up in customs stop his now passed away wife from getting some crucial medical supplies from the US

So far only a far right member has murdered someone so I guess MP’s will be a bit more jumpy when they get called Nazi and Traitors etc

But If there are examples of the replicant behaviour from the leave “herberts” then I’m sure you will post them

Some left wing activist started telling his kids that his daddy is a nasty man and also that no one likes him, among other things. To be fair to Rees-Mogg he didn't run away and even seemed to keep his kids outside whilst this nut job was ranting away when he could have let them in his house. Rees-Mogg then played it down a bit. I'd argue if we have to play top trumps then the abuse was not as threatening in terms of it's physical delivery than the stuff Soubry got, and the protester against Rees-Mogg was more sad ranting old man than threatening. But on the other hand the nut job targeted his kids which is kind of repulsive.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You really have no knowledge of seeing the incident involving the Rees-Mogg children. Very strange as it did make the national news.

As to a small group of hooligans abusing politicians being right wing, seems strange that they are right wing when the are accusing the MP of being a Nazi, sort of thing you hear from left wing folk.

Nope sorry didn’t hear anything about Rees Moog children but have looked it up and it’s not right

But it’s not just MP ‘s that are being abused outside Parliament currently though is it - they are appearing to target a lot

Apologies this has swearing in it

https://twitter.com/x/status/1082310884070965250

 

[Hacker Khan]

You really have no knowledge of seeing the incident involving the Rees-Mogg children. Very strange as it did make the national news.

As to a small group of hooligans abusing politicians being right wing, seems strange that they are right wing when the are accusing the MP of being a Nazi, sort of thing you hear from left wing folk.

The main chap is called James Goddard, who is described here as 'his social media presence and pages on crowd-funding websites appears to paint a picture of a pro-Brexit, anti-Muslim activist with a love of confrontation, a propensity to believe in conspiracy theories, and a fondness for the far-right activist Tommy Robinson.'

So again you may argue it's not conclusive proof he is a far right nut job as I can see you are in deep here and need to keep digging, but I'd at least wager a bet he's not a member of the lib dems....

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...NvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=favCIOvgZ5YFbnYt0KsxCA

 

[Blue in Munich]

I said people have the right to ask for another vote - telling people to just shut up isnt very democratic.



Again i didnt say it was - hence why i said smear campaigning on both side

No you didn't actually say it was; you just loaded your response with enough specific examples of Leave behaviour, and none from Remain, to imply it was one way traffic.

 

[Old Skier]

Happy family's then.

We are agreed that nobody should be abusing anyone whether they come from the right, left or center.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No you didn't actually say it was; you just loaded your response with enough specific examples of Leave behaviour, and none from Remain, to imply it was one way traffic.

Umm yes I did

This is exactly what I said



To the poor smear campaigning on both sides with neither being mature enough to provide facts



And wasn’t the post I replied to implying it was “one way traffic” ?

 

[Old Skier]

The main chap is called James Goddard, who is described here as 'his social media presence and pages on crowd-funding websites appears to paint a picture of a pro-Brexit, anti-Muslim activist with a love of confrontation, a propensity to believe in conspiracy theories, and a fondness for the far-right activist Tommy Robinson.'

So again you may argue it's not conclusive proof he is a far right nut job as I can see you are in deep here and need to keep digging, but I'd at least wager a bet he's not a member of the lib dems....

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/en...NvbS8&guce_referrer_cs=favCIOvgZ5YFbnYt0KsxCA

The bit you have highlighted was more in fun than anything purely on the fact that right wingers were calling people Nazis but obviously that bit was missed.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Surely there is a lot of what you say also from people who voted Leave - you point to what SILH says but then you could easily point to another promiment poster on here on the Leave side who has at times been as aggressive and insulting towards people who voted remain - and surely you as a strong person arent that swayed by one person view and opinion ? Surely not ?

You mention lies about "project fear" - well can it be judge lies yet because we havent left ? was it not a forecast ? Same as the promises of the big red bus ?



I thought that being in a democracy people are able to voice their opinion - and if people want a second vote because they think they think the result is bad for the country surely its their democratic right to demand another one - just because one vote has happened doesnt mean thats the end.


All the "leavers" who were at the forefront of the campaign hid away when it came to action - they were all words but no bottle to go through with it. May took up the mantle to try and do the best she can and since then she has been hampered every step of the way and once again promiment Leavers hide away.



Yes the EU could just do everything we say - but why should they ? We are the ones who want to walk away


Overall for me its been a mess from day one

From Cameron trying to sort things out

To the poor smear campaigning on both sides with neither being mature enough to provide facts

To the vote which was that close it was always going to cause issues

To the negotiations with people like JOhnson running away and sniping from the background - countless people resigning and undermining the whole process

Said it before - its a complete shambles and we are an embaressment right now as a country

Look at these Leave campaigners - shouting insults at MP's


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46789601

That's all of what you said Phil, one line about smears on both sides doesn't disguise the loading.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Happy family's then.

We are agreed that nobody should be abusing anyone whether they come from the right, left or center.

I would be genuinely interested in any links that show a group of Lib Dems physically threatening people as they don't feel that the imagination and effort of entrepreneurs and workers alike are harnessed to the full, not held back by low pay, discrimination, inequality or a lack of support for training and innovation.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's all of what you said Phil, one line about smears on both sides doesn't disguise the loading.

Which was countering what Chris was saying about being insulted by remain people ?

Chris’s post was quiteloaded one way as well

Is there anything I have said false ?

 

[Blue in Munich]

Which was countering what Chris was saying about being insulted by remain people ?

Chris’s post was quiteloaded one way as well

Is there anything I have said false ?

Chris's post was not loaded, it was calmly and politely explaining, to one poster in particular, why he voted and would vote again as he did. It was nowhere near as loaded as yours.

 

[Old Skier]

I would be genuinely interested in any links that show a group of Lib Dems physically threatening people as they don't feel that the imagination and effort of entrepreneurs and workers alike are harnessed to the full, not held back by low pay, discrimination, inequality or a lack of support for training and innovation.

I haven't been the one pigeon holing anyone deliberately as leaning any particular way. Personally I couldn't see a Lib Dem getting out of bed to do anything worth while - but hey ho, in case it offends, it's a joke.

 

[Slime]

Please read actually what I said



I believe you should also read what I said
Both are clear examples of issues with the whole thing - they only read what they want to read and make judgements from that

I did, hence my response.